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Biden, in Valley Forge speech, hits Trump hard as threat to democracy (wapo.st)

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[-] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

Biden called Trump a loser multiple times. Pointed out every single fucked up thing he's said and done. Biden went hard against Trump. This is the most I've seen him on the offensive. Keep this shit up!

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

He's got literally nothing else to motivate voters...

I'm relatively confident he can pull off a narrow win against trump. But if trumps off the ballots, and it's a "normal" Republican or even desantis, we might be fucked.

Biden wants trump to run for the same reason Hillary did, I just hope he's not dumb enough to actually help trump make it to the general like Hillary did

[-] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Make it to the general? Trump wins the primary hands down. He's like 70% in the polls.

[-] Patches@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

How many people do you know answer polls?

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

This isn't true anymore, though it was over the summer. DeSantis is polling neck-in-neck with Nikki Haley, down in the 15-16% range. That gets even smaller outside the GOP.

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Even Republicans don't like DeSantis. The more campaigning he has done nationally, the lower his numbers have gotten. He would get absolutely whooped. Trump is far more dangerous.

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[-] Patches@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Dark Brandon has awoken.

[-] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 33 points 10 months ago

But did he slam Trump? I can't get riled up about a story without a good slam.

[-] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Slam? I'm holding out for an evisceration.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

FATALITY

[-] meatwads_tooth@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

He definitely goes off.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

The people that sue to keep people off ballots, RCV off ballots, rig their own primaries, and cancel primaries to install their chosen candidate have no business talking about threats to democracy

[-] ax_xa@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

People that sue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot are fine by me.

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[-] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

There are different levels to being a threat to democracy. I'm pretty sure what Democrats did doesn't really compare with the dictatorship Trump has in mind and what happened on Jan 6.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Liberals help enable the type of dictatorship we currently live in.

[-] aew360@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Why do commies agree with MAGAs so often? “Ukraine Nazis! American government evil!” Fuck outta this country. We gotta crowdfund one way plane tickets to North Korea for your lot

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

BlueMAGA has more in common with MAGA than socialists and communists have with either of you. If it were trump doing the exact same things Biden has done liberals would be all up in arms about it. The same way they've been quiet while Biden enacts the exact same immigration policies as trump, still locking kids in cages. Has kept DeJoy and Trump's appointment. Same mental impairments that liberals write off as a stutter, despite NO videos from earlier years showing any impairment.

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[+] teft@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

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[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 10 months ago

He's done a lot that I like on the environmental front

Not to mention the big drops in crime and inflation without a recession

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Bidens just the president, he can't do anything!

And

Look at all the good stuff that happened, Biden did that!

Is getting fucking old mate.

Pick a lane.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 months ago

That's what a system where a President has significant but not unlimited power looks like: he can do a lot, but it's not unlimited.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So how is Biden responsible for a drop in crime?

Last I heard he was still talking about how the 92 reduction was Clinton's harsher punishment despite a shit ton of empirical evidence it was the natural result of banning leaded gas a generation earlier.

And why are you saying he's doing stuff to help the environment when fossil fuels.production has drastically increased since he took office? Did he sign an executive order about low flow toilets and we're just ignoring how bad fossil fuels are again?

It's hard to keep up with neoliberals, their reality is constantly changing

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago

Two big ways:

the successful vaccine scale-up and distribution enabled people to socialize again
the Inflation Reduction Act spending ensured that a lot of people could work

These sharply changed peoples behavior in ways that have made crime less of a problem nationally.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the successful vaccine scale-up and distribution enabled people to socialize again

I'd love to see a source that first vaccination went up under Biden, and you're not just talking about the same people taking multiple vaccines. But your acting like there weren't vaccines under trump?

Are you just talking about Biden giving a bunch of taxpayer money so that giant billion dollar companies would keep making the vaccines they were making crazy money on already?

the Inflation Reduction Act

Presidents can pass legislation?

If Biden did that, why can't he do anything about: cannabis, abortion, healthcare, student loans, taxing the wealthy, breaking up corporations....

Really anything that when he gets asked about he says presidents can't pass legislation so he can't do anything?

Because it kind of feels like you're just giving credit to Biden for anything good that happened while in office.

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The President's signature is the last step in its passage, and he and his staff were intimately involved in the negotiation needed to get it through congress. He's not magic, but Biden got things done when others would likely have failed.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

So why won't he negotiate for any of that other stuff?

When asked about it, he openly says he can't change anyone's minds and it would be pointless to try...

But when something good happens, it was all because of him.

I give up man, this just keeps going in circles

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 10 months ago

He did negotiate for a lot more than he got.

You're just sealioning at this point.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Compare the talk about environment with the actions on environment. The 2 don't align.

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

God forbid you mention the looming climate apocalypse while these guys are trying to fellate the democratic party.

[-] meatwads_tooth@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

That would generally be something I agree with, but this is a much different scenario. Voting against Trump is definitely the move.

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