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In early December, images circulated worldwide showing dozens of Palestinian men in the city of Beit Lahiya, in the northern Gaza Strip, who were stripped to their underwear, kneeling or sitting hunched over, then blindfolded and put into the back of Israeli military trucks like cattle. The vast majority of these detainees were civilians with no affiliation to Hamas, Israeli security officials later confirmed, and the men were taken away by the army without notifying their families of the detainees’ whereabouts. Some of them never returned.

+972 Magazine and Local Call spoke with four Palestinian civilians who appeared in these photos, or were arrested near the scene and taken to Israeli military detention centers, where they were held for several days or even weeks before being released back to Gaza. Their testimonies — along with 49 video testimonies published by various Arabic media outlets of Palestinians arrested in similar circumstances in recent weeks in the northern districts of Zeitoun, Jabalia, and Shuja’iya — indicate systematic abuse and torture by Israeli soldiers against all of the detainees, civilians and combatants alike.

According to these testimonies, Israeli soldiers subjected Palestinian detainees to electric shocks, burned their skin with lighters, spat in their mouths, and deprived them of sleep, food, and access to bathrooms until they defecated on themselves. Many were tied to a fence for hours, handcuffed, and blindfolded for most of the day. Some testified to having been beaten all over their bodies and having cigarettes extinguished on their necks or backs. Several people are known to have died as a result of being held in these conditions.

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 136 points 8 months ago

It's crazy these israelis are acting like literal Nazi concentration camp guards.

Treating all their captives like sub-humans and going on a maximum level bully powertrip by making them do dehumiliating things or else they will torture them even till death.

Fuck israel. Nazi pieces of shit.

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Soon they'll have a very original idea to win their righteous war, an idea they'll call the final solution

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Every nation has their own Nazis.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

Every nation had their own Nazi's. We're not supposed to repeat that.

The Holocaust was not a manual.

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 91 points 8 months ago

More fucking war crimes. Anyone defending this is defending genocide.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Anyone voting for Genocide Joe is directly endorsing this.

[-] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago

Good luck with genocide Trump... If you think he'd give two shits you're kidding yourself

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Good job you're already defending Genocide.

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[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 7 points 8 months ago

Cool so vote for someone who doesn’t endorse genocide.

[-] wafflez@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Oh gee I love splitting the votes between democrat nominee and a leftist nominee. Since I love doing this trump wins because there's no ranked choice voting and trump gets enough votes! Wahoo!

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago

Right wing trolls out in force on lemmy.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

Yes, you are right wing. Apartheid supporters tend to be.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Aw I have a fan. Or did you forget to change accounts?

For the rest of the readers here: I have a long history of openly condemning Israeli apartheid. You will not find me defending religious extremists in any context, and I will always condemn mass violence.

These people who believe that Trump will liberate Gaza are trolls engaged in an organized campaign to get people to not vote for Biden.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Why would I change accounts? I just love how your one conclusion is that all left opposition to the Democrats support for genocide is secret right wing trolls. I can't get enough of mocking you for your supporting such shitty, shitty people.

also it should go without saying but fuck trump too, Every US president is a criminal and should be prosecuted for warcrimes.

[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

You got anything productive to say or you just gonna bitch?

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 7 points 8 months ago

Yer I do think there maybe some, but they could so just be a bit crazy. I gave up trying to reason with them. Though the ones I was debating thought they could not vote Biden and be blameless if they got Trump.

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 12 points 8 months ago

Right wing trolls telling people to not vote for a right winger?

Suuure bud.

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I know that Israel is often cited as a client state, but it's better described as a psuedoclient state. The entirety of NATO could cut off Israel entirely tomorrow, and it wouldn't have any material impact on their capabilities. It would probably be enough international pressure, but Israel's military would be capable of maintaining it's genocide in roughly same capacity as it is now. Biden is culpable, but he's not complicit.

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[-] ButtCheekOnAStick@lemmy.world 85 points 8 months ago
[-] xor@sh.itjust.works 52 points 8 months ago
[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 84 points 8 months ago

They learned the SS handbook really well.

[-] Jaderick@lemmy.world 63 points 8 months ago

It’s mind boggling that the only thing the state of Israel learned from the Holocaust is how to do it better.

[-] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 24 points 8 months ago

They just had more time to practice than Nazi Germany did.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

THey're not there... yet

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[-] Wermhatswormhat@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago

How tf is the US still supporting these sub-human pieces of shit. Holy fuck, Biden is just letting this happen. They’ve taken what could be called as an open area prison and fully converted it to a concentration camp. I said it last night, they won’t stop until the entire state of Gaza is dead. They talk about their vision for a post war Gaza and it’s essentially just Israeli occupation “until they see fit” and there will be “no speaking out or hostility towards Israel of any kind.” At best it’s a dictatorship, and at worst a fucking death camp.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The most terrifying part of this is that no one there is sub-human. The people doing these horrible horrible things are exactly as human as you and me and that's mortifyingly agonizing to me. I really really wish we lived in a world where the worst of monsters weren't human, even if it was just a little not human, but that's just not our world.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

This is exactly what propaganda does, spreading misinformation, dehumanizing the people on the other side, spreading hatred and so on and unfortunately normal people can easily fall on that and start seeing the others as subhuman species.

The same with the Nazis. A lot of them were just regular citizens who were subjected to a lot of propaganda and at some point all of the atrocities they were doing were normalised in their eyes.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

I'm with you for all this. But let's not be like them. Let's not dehumanize them like they do their victims. They're very human. Shitty humans. But definitely human.

[-] Wermhatswormhat@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Fair enough. You’re right.

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[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Biden isn't letting this happen, he's actively supporting it.

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[-] Bipta@kbin.social 47 points 8 months ago
[-] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 12 points 8 months ago

Doing the lords work

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Mbfc is pretty meaningless these days.

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[-] TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 8 months ago

I’m gonna say it. Israel is no better than the Nazis, and I wholeheartedly believe the nation should be dissolved and the people moved off of the land they stole from the Palestinians. These people do not act with humanity, and I don’t have any sympathy for whatever happens to them in the future.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

I think the only way this can end is similar to South Africa. International pressure needs to end the current governance of Israel as an apartheid state and a new state with equal rights for all Palestinians, including all the refugees, and Israeli citizens needs to be created in its place.

[-] stmcld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 months ago

True. But i would add the extra detail that all the land stolen from Palestinians by Israel should be returned.

In South Africa that wasn't done. We had land and a house that my grandfather built up by himself in what is now one the most expensive suburbs in Cape Town. That land was stolen from us and never returned.

And it hurts so much everytime we have to go past there because there are rich white folks living there now. And we know we'll never be able to afford that land now no matter how hard we work. Now we struggle to even leave a home for our children to inherit.

I don't want that happening to the Palestinians again.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago

Forcing the people of Israel to relocate would be a war crime in itself.

[-] TheUncannyObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 months ago

Forcing them off the land they’ve stolen is not a war crime any more than forcing Russia out of Crimea would be. The warcrime has already been committed, undoing that warcrime is justice.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I understand disliking the establishment of Israel at the expense of Palestinians and Palestinian land. As a state, they revolt me. But forced removal of Israelis would be Genocide by definition. War crimes by Israel don't justify commiting crimes against the Israeli populace.

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[-] Skates@feddit.nl 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How about we offer them the option, and if they refuse - bury them under the 70 years of Palestinian graves that they created.

Fuck off outta here with your "war crime to relocate them" shit. Israel is a made-up country that relies on money greasing the right pockets to exist. It's time to dissolve it.

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[-] Deebster@lemmy.ml 36 points 8 months ago

According to testimonies, the soldiers ordered all the men to undress, gathered them in one place, and took the photos that were later disseminated on social media (senior Israeli officials have since chided the soldiers for sharing the images).

It's very telling that the officials only have a problem with the evidence of their war crimes.

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

They learned it from US. Does nobody remember Abu Graib? Guantanamo Bay?

[-] willybe@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 months ago

For those who think US Army is above this kind of torture.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

Or maybe armies just perpetuate this shitty behaviour by default because it's by design.

[-] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Defining it as a feature doesn't excuse it.

[-] Llamalitmus@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Defining it as a feature would dispel the myth of there being an ethical way to incarcerate/indefinitely detain people. The "bad apples" argument tries to put forward an idea that something bad is actually fine. It's only bad in 'this instance' because these people are bad/immoral/incompetent.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I'm just glad this is a reliable source! 927mag.com is truth as everyone always says

[-] machinin@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm assuming this is your snark, knowing your posting history. I've caught you three times spreading Israeli disinformation.

Just so everyone knows, this site's credibility is high.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/972-magazine/

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Country: Israel

MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MODERATE FREEDOM

Media Type: Website

Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic

MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

I really hope you're not trying to spread more Israeli disinformation.

[-] CluckN@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Inside camp

Picture was taken outside

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Fun fact: sometimes people erect barbed wire fences around the external location where they store their torture victims and call that inside a camp and also outdoors/outside.

Another example would be large parts of the concentration camps along the southern US border.

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