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Twitch updates attire policy to prohibit implied nudity. (www.eurogamer.net)

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 292 points 10 months ago

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[-] li10@lemmy.ml 226 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

At this point it really has become a site that provides soft core porn to children though, or where loners go to have some titty steamer exploit their desperation.

It’s just not the platform for it. Do it on a porn site, not where kids go to watch video games.

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 125 points 10 months ago

This is kind of an intentional cognitive dissonance for Twitch due to its having a conflict of interests.

On the one hand, it wants to tell viewers and advertisers that it cracks down on adult only content.

But on the other hand, the more adult content they let through, the more money they make.

It would be very easy to either make an age restricted section where adult stuff would be allowed, or to completely banish streamers who are the modern equivalent of burlesque. But one is bad PR and the other is bad for revenue.

[-] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's not that simple. Porn is a huge risk for a company, especially if it's user-generated content. You have to police access against underage kids who want to watch that content, and also have an enormous team devoted to immediately take down CSAM.

Lots of payment processors and advertisers do not want to associate themselves with porn because there are too many PR risks. Ask Pornhub how difficult it is to be a porn company on the internet, they've had lots of thorny problems. Or look at Reddit and how it's handling porn content before the IPO: they can't outright ban it or they'll lose users (e.g. Tumblr, another great example of what I'm talking about), so they are trying to hide it as much as possible.

Basically trying to monetize porn is not worth the headache. Last but not least, because there is so much free porn around. Risking so much to gain a few users that could go somewhere else in a whim is REALLY not worth it

[-] Osa-Eris-Xero512@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

I've seen the payment processor argument a lot about this regarding twitch specifically, but I really don't think it holds any weight in this one specific case. This is Amazon we are talking about. They are one of the 3 entities in the whole goddamn world who could dictate terms to Visa, not the other way around.

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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's not like they don't have any age restrictions, the streamers that do that stuff have to mark their streams 18+ and add 'sexual themes' tags or they get banned. If chatters even imply their under 18 they must be banned or the streamer gets banned. Im pretty sure you cant see 18+ streams unless you tell the website you're 18, which would mean it's about as much of a gate that pornhub makes you jump through. They make gambling streams have the same rules but their tag says may contain gambling.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 50 points 10 months ago

I had to specifically search out any of the "titty streams" that you speak of.

If kids are going to seek it out, they're going to seek it out. The problem is that porn sites generally have a much lower quality level, as people just sweep it under the rug and expect it to be seedy and gross.

Sex is not evil, peoples bodies aren't shameful. The entire reason these streams are so effective at exploiting that is because of the shaming and ostracizing of sex positivity. This isn't a good thing, it's just damage control as they lose advertising revenue as pearl clutchers whine about it in their monthly letter to the editor.

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 29 points 10 months ago

You could make similar arguments about gambling being a moral panic and they shouldn't ban that on the site. Selling sex to kids is just as exploitive and repugnant. Maybe selling violence to them is too. You'll eventually find a line to draw for something being a vice, even if you don't think this is it.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 45 points 10 months ago

Now you're equating violence and gambling to sex? Sounds like you're doing exactly what I described in my comment. Equating sexuality with filth and disease.

Yes, there will always be people who do their best to exploit base desires (especially in our current economic systems), that doesn't mean what they use to exploit people is inherently bad. Maybe if we stopped trying to hide sexuality under the carpet like dust bunnies when your mother-in-law visits it wouldn't be nearly as exploitable.

[-] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago

You're being too European dude stop it /s

[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago

I think the fact that it is exploitive should ban it. I don't particularly view twitch as the vanguard of a sexual revolution. I view it as a profit extracting arm of a megacorporation. It's explicit selling sex to kids. It shouldn't be normalized. You could argue that sex should be normalized, but exploitation (particularly in a sexual context) of children should not be.

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[-] honey_im_meat_grinding 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Selling sex to kids is just as exploitive and repugnant.

Why are we nuking implied nudity entirely off a website to solve a different problem, i.e. kids having access to their parents' credit cards?

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

I agree. If you want to have a "nude gamer" format on one of the adult streaming sites I don't think that's forbidden.

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

I don't understand how any of this is a problem. Just, like, parent your fuckin kids.

This is one step from "take the books out of libraries" level of paternalism

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[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago

Correction, 'the degree to which humans are terrified of the outer layer of their bodies is ridiculous'

Blood. Guts, and brain matter are a Saturday staple in America, but keep those nipples (of the female variety, male nips are mmm-hmm a-okay) hidden.

[-] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 37 points 10 months ago

To be fair, if somebody starts streaming without their skin on I'm going to nope the fuck out really quick.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

And I sadly would decide that's my time to check out Twitch.

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But video games where you violently kill people? 100% cool and good.

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[-] aelwero@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago

Whatya mean? You can twitch combat games all day that show every component of the human body flying through the air, appendages, intestines, no problem. Just gotta make sure there's no nipples rendered on the flying parts...

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No female nipples. Bare male chests are perfectly fine.
Get someone like GG Bridget or Poison from Final Fight and the website implodes though.

[-] mutant_zz@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

It's highly country specific... America's puritanical roots seem to still hold sway. Go to Western Europe and nudity is commonplace

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[-] burliman@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Pretend for a moment we live in a world where sex occurs as commonly as a handshake or a hug. In this world sex is everywhere. You grow up and see your parents have sex openly perhaps hundreds of times. When you go to your friend’s house you see their parents doing the deed. You and your friend even did it a few times.

Perhaps a half dozen times you see grandma and grandpa doing it after thanksgiving dinner. No big deal, you’ve seen it so many times now, you barely even look. There is sex in clubs, sex in a city bus, sex at lunch at offices. But amazingly no sex in bathroom stalls or rest areas, or dirty hotels, what few that even exist in this world.

You personally have sex maybe 20 times with various peers before you reach your 18th birthday. You struggle to even remember. You lost count a while ago because it is honestly like the question “how many times did you have eggs for breakfast.” By the time you reach your thirties it’s anyone’s guess.

This is the world where no one would care about implied nudity or even full on sex on Twitch. And forget about the taboo-driven sex addictions that are problems. We’d have other taboos, sure, but they wouldn’t be about sex.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Someone read the first chapter of "Brave New World" and thought it was a true indictment of modern culture.

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[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 291 points 10 months ago

You know... under my clothes I'm naked right now!

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 180 points 10 months ago

BANNED

[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Someone reverse ban this animal! Who can we turn to?!

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[-] Ultragramps 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

“Stray to Yale.”

[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 35 points 10 months ago

You pervert

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[-] Tekchip@lemmy.world 123 points 10 months ago

Hole up! Doesn't the existence of clothing imply nudity? Covering the nudity is what clothing is for! I feel like they hadn't thought that through all the way.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I bet you are naked under those pants, you slut.

[-] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 91 points 10 months ago

I swear everytime Twitch updates their policies for clarity, they just get even more confusing.

[-] yuki2501@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

They just got pissed at people using censor bars on themselves to make it look like they were naked (in protest for Twitch backing down on their nudity policy).

Yes, it's a salty move, and yes, they're being assholes about it.

[-] criticalthreshold@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

The thots are assholes right?

Because twitch is a gaming platform, not a PG-13 Onlyfans advertisement platform.

Or is it?

[-] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Not only Twitch features many games with sexual content, which seem to be fine as long as the publisher is big enough. It also doesn't seem to mind streamers that are only there to chat or draw or do anything else not game related.

So, what's the problem here? If people think it's so bad they can just go watch something else.

I'll never understand this puritan gamer resentment at streamers who dare to rely on sexual appeal over skill or humor or art or any other myriad of ways someone might get an audience.

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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 82 points 10 months ago

~~Artistic nudity allowed~~

Implied nudity prohibited

[-] uriel238 11 points 10 months ago

Artistic nudity must be explicit.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago

Great, now where will I go to find naked people on the internet?

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

there was this onlyfan streamer who kept blocking the view of her tits with her hand while pretending to do body art for 13 hrs straight. it was the most retarded shit ever

[-] BiggestBulb@kbin.run 46 points 10 months ago

Oh, my God! Who????

[-] Huschke@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

Yeah that's disgusting. I wish OP could provide us with a link or a name so we know which streamer to avoid.

[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I couldn't agree more. That's the peak of how disgusting one can be. We need some sort of identifier to avoid that subhuman trash creature.

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

We want Twitch to be a place where all communities feel welcome.

And in the same breath they ban certain community categories because you can see human bodies. This is not about making people feel welcome, it’s about controlling them, obviously.

[-] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

[-] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Why do softcore porn on Twitch? Seeing how Twitch is known for being a video game streaming site. Sorry but I already know the answer to my question. They will get more views and money on Twitch then on Chaturbate. The controversy they will get from doing it on Twitch. Will only help them not stop them.

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[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Drat. I loved the chaos.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Nooooo now I'll have to go to chaturbate! /s

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