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[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 129 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fungi won’t trade if the tree is not giving enough nutrients. So while they don’t trade for profit they sure as hell aren’t engaging in charity.

[-] BluesF@lemmy.world 88 points 10 months ago

Mutual aid, in other words.

[-] Cicraft@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

So in dum dum terms the trees are keeping the fungus as a pet?

[-] PyroNeurosis 5 points 10 months ago

As much as a person can keep an outdoor cat as a pet...

[-] BunEnjoyer@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

More like two people sharing resources to reproduce more effectively while having a gun pointed towards each other at all times

[-] insomniac_lemon@kbin.social 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There likely could be other benefits to them sharing such as:

  1. when there is more than they can use, particularly that the mushroom does not like in their environment
  2. producing more leaves is likely highly beneficial for the mushroom, for shade both living and fallen, nutrients and cover with fallen leaves.

Similar for the tree, but also mushrooms are recycling minerals from dead material.

I don't know if there'd be "stingy" trees (aside from vastly different nutrient needs), I could see it more of miscommunication or having too much difference with language/biologic pathways. EDIT: Also I gotta imagine that giant trees don't even bother counting it for mushrooms so long as they aren't stressed. Sugar water is in the grid, take as much as you want.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I bet you chestnut trees are stingy little assholes. Prickly fucks.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 4 points 10 months ago

At first, I read that as you accusing them of being a stingy asshole chestnut tree and I was about to inform you that you were in fact talking to a lemon, not a tree 😄

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago

Trees that rely on myco networks usually only get giant because of previous myco networking bonds, which funnel excess nutrients between not just the fungi but also other trees within the system. And depending on the involved species, this sometimes includes multiple plant species exchanging nutrients.

[-] kay@lemmings.world 6 points 10 months ago

change your name. Assuming you aren't underage so that psychotic pedo fuck would't be interested.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago

I assumed it was ironic. Don’t ya think?

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah, bacteria secreting digestive enzymes would have been a better example.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 82 points 10 months ago

Friendly reminder that cooperation is mutually beneficial and the mathematical solution to the prisoner's dilemma is to cooperate but not be a pushover.

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 17 points 10 months ago

That fungus would eat the tree if it had the abiliry

[-] huginn@feddit.it 26 points 10 months ago

Don't ascribe motivations to biological processes.

That fungus wouldn't eat the tree because it doesn't eat the tree. There are tree eating fungi but that is not one of them.

That fungus is proof of cooperation being mutually beneficial and evidence of how "altruism" works out in favor of the cooperators.

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[-] stanka@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago

Don't kid yourself Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Your dog would kill you in a heartbeat if he thought he could

Which is unfortunate, since you would also slaughter your dog if you ever realize you can

Oh gods, no.... What have I done?

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago

I mean, yeah?

I'm sure if I slipped and died in the shower my cats would eat me, and I'd eat them if it was between that and starvation

[-] petrol_sniff_king 8 points 10 months ago

So why isn't that happening?
Are you letting a free meal loiter your hallways?

[-] PyroNeurosis 14 points 10 months ago

Killing the emergency rations now means they won't be fresh in an emergency!

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[-] essellburns@beehaw.org 13 points 10 months ago

The mathematical solution to the prisoners dilemma depends on how the variables are framed. The standard values are chosen to represent your point and so don't provide evidence of anything.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In the sense of the values awarded for cooperation vs competition? Sure it's an approximation but that doesn't mean it's arbitrary. The entire point is to explore the nature of altruistic behavior, which we know exists. We know there are deer who groom each other even though it is in each deer's best interest to be groomed but not groom in turn. There is a larger benefit to betrayal than to cooperation but a cost associated with everyone acting selfishly.

The prisoner's dilemma is a model of reality. Sure you can insert numbers that make it work in reverse but it's as valid as saying gravity is 4m/s² proves that I won't die by jumping off this building.

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[-] mossy_capivara@midwest.social 74 points 10 months ago
[-] chumbalumber 25 points 10 months ago
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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 22 points 10 months ago

It's called an ecosystem

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago
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[-] zxk@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Someone get that mushroom an Ayn Rand book

[-] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't see why social darwinists wouldn't like it. I mean, that fungus is thriving. Thus, it must be a really strong individual who made good decisions (associating with trees when it was advantageous).

[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Isn't survival the single biggest trade incentive though? Like, I go to work everyday so I can buy food, but not because it's so yummy in my tummy, I do it because I'll die if I don't.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago

I dont understand. They share recources right? Thats what i learnt in school.

[-] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Yea but why would they share if there's no money to be made 🤔

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago
[-] 1024_Kibibytes@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

The continued life & growth of both plants would be the profit incentive, wouldn't it?

[-] kay@lemmings.world 18 points 10 months ago

The continued life & growth of people in a community helping each other is the exact motivation that usually makes the profit incentive useless

[-] bev@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

You can do trade only with contacts. If you don't know someone it's hard to trade.

[-] danikpapas@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

They are actually maximizing their profit

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