New fears? New to him? Not New to anyone paying attention.
well it is a much more direct approach than usual...
For literal decades Biden has been telling Israel he'll support them no matter what, but they need to worry about the optics of their actions...
He's 100% ok with what's happening, he just wishes they were quieter while doing it.
He's not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for is trump.
So Biden sees no reason to stop supporting Israel, in a moderates mind it literally doesn't matter because the Republicans would be even shittier. Which by some twisted logic means Biden can be just as bad and it's not a negative.
It's a great example of why "not a Republican" can't be the bare minimum for the dem candidate.
'dissolve your democracy' or 'support ethnic cleansing'
Not a great set of choices at the ballots for Americans this election.
I got 2 choices comes November. And nothing significant is going to change our voting system between now and then.
FUCK do these moralists propose I do?! After 01/06, I am more than a little wary.
"I don't like what Biden is doing!"
"Well fuck me, I hate it. Still want a functioning democracy come January 2025?"
Because I'm not liking having an AR-15 leaning on my desk, and a 12-gauge on my nightstand, for when the local Brown Shirts decide I'm "vermin" and they need to raid my house "for my own good". Anyone think that's "radical" or "paranoid"? Got steep yourself in some WWII history lessons.
And BTW, the Brown Shirts will be local, on your street, if Trump wins. It won't be, "Your machine gun gonna fight the military?!" No. All politics are local. Wait and see.
"Mr. Shalafi, look, we're your neighbors, and we know you love you some guns! But times have changed. We just need to collect those up for your own protection. You can have them back once things calm down, pinky swear."
Fuck me. I just got a buncha guns because I like shooting and gunsmithing old crappy stuff. Now that hobby is turning serious. And I fucking loathe that change.
I'm 53 soon, and I cannot begin to express how fucking angry I am to have typed those last sentences.
I know, I know, I was complacent, didn't see it coming. But fuck me, I voted these past decades. And here we are.
I am a peaceful man, but I am not harmless. I'd suggest you gun-grabber libs think on that a moment. Because the other side already has thought on it.
Because I’m not liking having an AR-15 leaning on my desk, and a 12-gauge on my nightstand, for when the local Brown Shirts decide I’m “vermin” and they need to raid my house “for my own good”. Anyone think that’s “radical” or “paranoid”? Got steep yourself in some WWII history lessons.
This is indeed both radical and paranoid.
The care bear Dems will hold hands and care the situation away.
Fighting for anything is only just starting to be considered. But it's so very late, now.
Hope we never get to what you describe. We need the laws and LEO to do what's right and keep things from sliding. Very hard to know that may not happen and I deeply wish Biden held himself to one term.
He has a considerable polling and enthusiasm gap now - and this isn't the time for that to be true.
Or here's a novel idea: the candidate who doesn't want to dissolve democracy could dramatically increase his chances of winning by NOT enabling genocide including ethnic cleansing and domicide.
I'd set the likelihood of THAT ever happening at zero a month or two ago, but now it seems he's slowly realizing that enough people actually care more about human rights than empty platitudes and slavish devotion to what's become an apartheid state that he has to change course.
I'd say there's now a 10-20% chance he's going to at least PRETEND to agree that Palestinian lives matter between now and November.
Who is the more accelerationist candidate? The one who openly calls himself a dictator (‘on day one only, teehehehe’) or the status-quo octogenarian who continues the moral bankruptcy and refuses to stop lethal support or even public condemnation towards Israel even slightly? And I’m supposed to be thankful that Biden-Harris check the “not Trump lol” box and ignore the rest? Remember the hemming and hawing about Ukraine getting last gen/expiring tech? And we’re just GIVING Israel hardware from active US inventory???
I’d LOVE a viable third party or AVP/STV/etc voting, but electoral reform is a threat to DNC & RNC hegemony, so that never happening without a constitutional convention. So tell me, do you really have a choice at the ballot? Federal and primary races are littered with corporate and party money, there is no organic change coming from DC anymore.
He's not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for is trump.
The reason he's starting to pretend to listen is that he's losing in the polls.
Turns out that the electorate has a ridiculously short memory.
Turns out that the "I'm not the other guy" tactic is much less effective for an incumbent than a challenger.
Most shockingly, it turns out that continuing to ignore the rightful moral outrage of as many as half of your potential voters, maybe even more, is an extremely bad idea even if your opponent is objectively many times worse than you.
So yeah, as much as he hates it, he's gonna have to do something different, or at least pretend to, and he knows it.
The reason he’s starting to pretend to listen is that he’s losing in the polls
He's been polling bad this whole time...
And just illegally went around Congress to "sell" weapons to Israel in exchange for a small slice of the billions we've given them this year.
I wish what you were saying was true, because its optimistic
But it's just not what's actually happening...
He's been polling bad this whole time...
It's gone from bad to worse in the last couple of months, though.
I wish what you were saying was true, because its optimistic
I'd say that giving it a 10-20% likelihood of happening in spite of him almost certainly being forced to do it or lose is rather pessimistic tbh..
But it's just not what's actually happening
I'm not saying it's happening. I'm saying that the likelihood of it happening in the future has increased from nonexistent to very small, theoretically.
Biden works for the war machine
No. The best information is that they've been putting a ton of pressure on Netanyahu to back the fuck off, but it hasn't done any good because he's a legitimate asshole and always has been. (Remember, this is the same guy who deliberately embarrassed Obama by accepting a GOP invitation to address Congress without consulting the White House or making an official state visit to the president. He's the scum of the earth and always has been. There's zero question that he's hoping for a Trump win.)
They don't want to go public with demanding restraint or a cease fire because they are afraid it will widen the war by encouraging Iran and its other proxies such as the Houthis and Hezbollah which could further hinder freight traffic through the Red Sea, thus bumping global inflation back up and giving Trump a campaign gift. I think at this point it's a lost cause and they need to cut their losses and tell Israel to knock it the fuck off, but I expect they will continue to drag their feet and work on back channels.
We also know that every time Iran has been met with real force rather than empty threats, they have backed off. Ultimately it would still be a big gamble to openly threaten them, but it's something to think about, especially if you don't fancy another Trump presidency/dictatorship.
Most of what we see on Lemmy is pure amateur hour speculation that has only a very tangential relationship with what's actually happening.
Calm down, everyone! Biden is already acting. He's sending weapons to Israel as fast as he can.
But this is fine because Trump would send them even faster and make the children even more dead. All hail the glorious two party system.
The Abraham Accords is often cited as an escalation towards the situation we are now in that it tried to politically isolate Hamas: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
Maybe the orange man wouldn't make a difference on the arms front, but he is really good at planting seeds for conflict.
Nothing out of the ordinary here. Just the head police officer of Israel suggesting actual ethnic cleansing in a reasonable tone.
Nope definitely not an evil government.
The only pressure Biden feels is how to feign any concern about anything Israel is doing.
Are we sure we want him to act?
Might send more bombs.
I think what needs to happen is get Trump to say he'll support Israel. Then ~~anti-Trump~~ Biden will have to say he doesn't support Israel.
Two days later it will be chalked up to the ramblings of a senile old man and Israel will get the latest in phosphorus technology.
Trump has already said many times his position. He tried to move things even further to supporting Israel. Biden isn't the anti-Trump, but he's what we've got. Hopefully he'll do what's right.
Spoiler: he won't.
I wonder what it would take for Biden to act. The actual bombing and killing isn't enough. Are these statements by Israeli leadership what it will take? I don't really understand what is behind Biden's support at this point.
Been wondering the same. Traditionally the US has supported Israel, no matter what. But fuck me. Biden has thrown all has cards on the table in support of genocide, and I still have to vote for him. What a clusterfuck.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is fighting our arch enemy and we're bickering about whether to send them more arms. Here's our chance to destroy Russia, once and for all, with not a soldier lost, not even a mildly damaged M4 rifle, and gather all the intelligence in the world on modern combat. Finally. And the GOP won't do it. Reagan is spinning in his grave.
While it's nice to hear that Biden is 'under pressure' about this, I wish it took something less than obvious genocide and a near-global consensus that these are crimes against humanity for any sort of media to register it.
I honestly don't understand why Biden is so hawkish on this; it's not like giving Israel carte blanche will get him support from Republicans, and doing it really does appear to divide the left enough to hurt him politically.
Biden is hawkish on Israel because he remembers a version of Israel that doesn't exist anymore. The stalwart of the Middle East is a shell of itself and it doesn't want the rest of the world finding out. I know his age is a meme at this point but it's worth pointing out here
well color me the shade of anal bleach
Nobody is asking Hamas how many Palestinians they are willing to sacrifice in their wish to erase Israel from the map.
Sorry, but last time I checked Israel is killing those civilians in throves. And don't get me wrong I don't sympathize with Hamas, but saying that the civilian Palestinian casualties are their fault is very much twisting the truth.
Are you also going to blame the humanitarian catastrophe unfolding there also Hamas fault? Are Hamas bombing civilian buildings in densely populated areas with oversized bombs?
Perhaps we should blame Hamas for the global warming too with your logic.
Probably because they're more concerned about how Gaza isn't allowed to have an economy right now.
They're not even allowed hospitals.
Why is Biden under pressure? According to the guys on /politics this genocide is no problem and Biden is not responsible and we should all keep voting for him. Democrats are completely fine with doing straight up Genocide without even hiding it as long it's not a Republican doing it.
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