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Rights advocates in the United States are urging President Joe Biden to end his administration’s “complicity” in Israeli rights abuses after key members of Israel’s government backed the idea of pushing Palestinians out of Gaza.

Far-right Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich said this week that Israel should “encourage emigration” from the coastal enclave, home to an estimated 2.3 million Palestinians.

“If there are 100,000 or 200,000 Arabs in Gaza and not two million Arabs, the entire discussion on the day after [the war ends] will be totally different,” Smotrich said on Sunday, calling for the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians.

A day later, Ben-Gvir, who oversees national security, made a similar appeal, saying it was “a correct, just, moral and humane solution”, Israeli media outlets reported.

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[-] ClockNimble@lemmy.world 121 points 2 years ago

New fears? New to him? Not New to anyone paying attention.

[-] xor@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

well it is a much more direct approach than usual...

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 89 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For literal decades Biden has been telling Israel he'll support them no matter what, but they need to worry about the optics of their actions...

He's 100% ok with what's happening, he just wishes they were quieter while doing it.

He's not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for is trump.

So Biden sees no reason to stop supporting Israel, in a moderates mind it literally doesn't matter because the Republicans would be even shittier. Which by some twisted logic means Biden can be just as bad and it's not a negative.

It's a great example of why "not a Republican" can't be the bare minimum for the dem candidate.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

'dissolve your democracy' or 'support ethnic cleansing'

Not a great set of choices at the ballots for Americans this election.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Or here's a novel idea: the candidate who doesn't want to dissolve democracy could dramatically increase his chances of winning by NOT enabling genocide including ethnic cleansing and domicide.

I'd set the likelihood of THAT ever happening at zero a month or two ago, but now it seems he's slowly realizing that enough people actually care more about human rights than empty platitudes and slavish devotion to what's become an apartheid state that he has to change course.

I'd say there's now a 10-20% chance he's going to at least PRETEND to agree that Palestinian lives matter between now and November.

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[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Who is the more accelerationist candidate? The one who openly calls himself a dictator (‘on day one only, teehehehe’) or the status-quo octogenarian who continues the moral bankruptcy and refuses to stop lethal support or even public condemnation towards Israel even slightly? And I’m supposed to be thankful that Biden-Harris check the “not Trump lol” box and ignore the rest? Remember the hemming and hawing about Ukraine getting last gen/expiring tech? And we’re just GIVING Israel hardware from active US inventory???

I’d LOVE a viable third party or AVP/STV/etc voting, but electoral reform is a threat to DNC & RNC hegemony, so that never happening without a constitutional convention. So tell me, do you really have a choice at the ballot? Federal and primary races are littered with corporate and party money, there is no organic change coming from DC anymore.

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[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 7 points 2 years ago

Let me help, it’s more nuanced than that

It’s “dissolve our democracy and support ethnic cleansing at home and abroad” or “support ethnic cleansing abroad only”

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

He's not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for is trump.

The reason he's starting to pretend to listen is that he's losing in the polls.

Turns out that the electorate has a ridiculously short memory.

Turns out that the "I'm not the other guy" tactic is much less effective for an incumbent than a challenger.

Most shockingly, it turns out that continuing to ignore the rightful moral outrage of as many as half of your potential voters, maybe even more, is an extremely bad idea even if your opponent is objectively many times worse than you.

So yeah, as much as he hates it, he's gonna have to do something different, or at least pretend to, and he knows it.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

The reason he’s starting to pretend to listen is that he’s losing in the polls

He's been polling bad this whole time...

And just illegally went around Congress to "sell" weapons to Israel in exchange for a small slice of the billions we've given them this year.

I wish what you were saying was true, because its optimistic

But it's just not what's actually happening...

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

He's been polling bad this whole time...

It's gone from bad to worse in the last couple of months, though.

I wish what you were saying was true, because its optimistic

I'd say that giving it a 10-20% likelihood of happening in spite of him almost certainly being forced to do it or lose is rather pessimistic tbh..

But it's just not what's actually happening

I'm not saying it's happening. I'm saying that the likelihood of it happening in the future has increased from nonexistent to very small, theoretically.

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[-] chocolateo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Biden works for the war machine

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago

Calm down, everyone! Biden is already acting. He's sending weapons to Israel as fast as he can.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

But this is fine because Trump would send them even faster and make the children even more dead. All hail the glorious two party system.

[-] zbyte64 12 points 2 years ago

The Abraham Accords is often cited as an escalation towards the situation we are now in that it tried to politically isolate Hamas: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords

Maybe the orange man wouldn't make a difference on the arms front, but he is really good at planting seeds for conflict.

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[-] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

He did say, loud and proud, that he's zionist...

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago

Nothing out of the ordinary here. Just the head police officer of Israel suggesting actual ethnic cleansing in a reasonable tone.

Nope definitely not an evil government.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago

The only pressure Biden feels is how to feign any concern about anything Israel is doing.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Are we sure we want him to act?

Might send more bombs.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

I think what needs to happen is get Trump to say he'll support Israel. Then ~~anti-Trump~~ Biden will have to say he doesn't support Israel.

Two days later it will be chalked up to the ramblings of a senile old man and Israel will get the latest in phosphorus technology.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 years ago

Trump has already said many times his position. He tried to move things even further to supporting Israel. Biden isn't the anti-Trump, but he's what we've got. Hopefully he'll do what's right.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago
[-] Zorque@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Almost like we need to stop hedging our bets on a single office.

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[-] machinin@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

I wonder what it would take for Biden to act. The actual bombing and killing isn't enough. Are these statements by Israeli leadership what it will take? I don't really understand what is behind Biden's support at this point.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

While it's nice to hear that Biden is 'under pressure' about this, I wish it took something less than obvious genocide and a near-global consensus that these are crimes against humanity for any sort of media to register it.

I honestly don't understand why Biden is so hawkish on this; it's not like giving Israel carte blanche will get him support from Republicans, and doing it really does appear to divide the left enough to hurt him politically.

[-] Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Biden is hawkish on Israel because he remembers a version of Israel that doesn't exist anymore. The stalwart of the Middle East is a shell of itself and it doesn't want the rest of the world finding out. I know his age is a meme at this point but it's worth pointing out here

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[-] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

I wonder what it's like living in a functioning democracy.

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[-] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago

well color me the shade of anal bleach

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago

Nobody is asking Hamas how many Palestinians they are willing to sacrifice in their wish to erase Israel from the map.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Sorry, but last time I checked Israel is killing those civilians in throves. And don't get me wrong I don't sympathize with Hamas, but saying that the civilian Palestinian casualties are their fault is very much twisting the truth.

Are you also going to blame the humanitarian catastrophe unfolding there also Hamas fault? Are Hamas bombing civilian buildings in densely populated areas with oversized bombs?

Perhaps we should blame Hamas for the global warming too with your logic.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Probably because they're more concerned about how Gaza isn't allowed to have an economy right now.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

They're not even allowed hospitals.

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[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I'm confused. Isn't Israel the one dropping the bombs?

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Why is Biden under pressure? According to the guys on /politics this genocide is no problem and Biden is not responsible and we should all keep voting for him. Democrats are completely fine with doing straight up Genocide without even hiding it as long it's not a Republican doing it.

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