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Nikki Haley doesn't cite slavery as cause of the Civil War after question at campaign stop (abcnews.go.com)

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She responded it was about “basically how the government was going to run."

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 93 points 8 months ago

Of course she ignores slavery. She's a conservative. Conservatives were responsible for slavery and they are tired of being called out for it. They would bring it back immediately if they weren't actively stopped by progressives.

Nearly every act of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, antisemitism or other bigotry ever committed on earth has been at the hands of conservatives.

There is no place in a modern culture for conservatism. Teach your children why it is immoral to keep relationships or do business with such people. Marginalize hate by marginalizing those who hate.

[-] Tremble@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[-] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I sort of understand the downvotes here but also don't at the same time. Southern Democrats can be a bit of a surprise to newer generations not steeped in US history of the southern Dixiecrats and the southern block they use to rule with until they finally broke up and switched to the Republicans.

The comment above is sticking with Conservatives and Progressive which today most would equate to Republicans and Democrats respectively within the US.

This meme is a quick hey what?

This is for those that want to know ~~much~~ *more in depth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

The original post did not mention parties in any way shape or form. Republicans may have made themselves the modern party of conservatism. But the Dixiecrats were conservative as well. All conservatives all in the wrong side. It's fairly simple.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Progress is a moving target. There are many views held by those that were progressive back then. That would be anathema to modern progressives. But their progressive view points tend to transcend the time they were born.

Modern conservative bigots, aren't really all that different from their counterparts from the past however. Party history doesn't necessarily need to enter into it at all. Conservatives seek to conserve power for themselves. No more, no less. Exactly what that means to them may change superficially. But the core remains. Throughout all positive change in human history. Conservatives have been solidly against it. Conservative in America, conservatives in England, conservatives in Afghanistan, conservatives in just about anywhere else. Potato potato. The superficial trappings around it may differ slightly. But the core is always power for themselves and oppression of others to get it.

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[-] Caradoc879@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Ummm.... literally fucking definitions, bro. Conservatives by definition want things to go back to 'the good old days' full of racism and white America. Progressives want... progress.

Progressives are good. Conservatives are bad. It is black and white.

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

regardless of what political party the aligned themselves with, the political views of conservatives remain the same. that's why the person you replied to didn't identify those they referring to by their political party, but by their political views: conservatism.

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[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

This is some crazy partisan shit.

"Nearly every act of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, antisemitism or other bigotry ever committed on earth has been at the hands of conservatives."

Let's talk about first and second wave feminists or terfs like Sheila Jeffreys. Or who pushed Don't Ask Don't Tell policies. Or some the unsavory views of Theodore Roosevelt. There are so many instances of progressives and liberals getting it wrong and causing harm. Conservatives do sometimes get it right if they are consistent. This current brand of American conservatism is bonkers though.

[-] vzq 13 points 8 months ago

Let's talk about first and second wave feminists

Gloria Steinem is still a queen no matter what happens ;)

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

It does bug me that partisans of either stripe conveniently ignore so much in order to find satisfaction with their preferred narrative.

[-] JGrffn@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

She's a conservative. Conservatives were responsible for slavery and they are tired of being called out for it.

OK but Lincoln was republican and he ended slavery. I'm all for calling out right wing nutjobs on their shit but attributing all evils ever to them is some serious echo chamber bubble shit

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Lincoln was a Republican before the parties switched. It's well-documented how voting trends from the Civil War through to the Civil Rights Act flipped (hint, it's to do with racism and the North/South divide)

This is a brief overview. Obviously not an exhaustive history but covers the basics. https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties

[-] JGrffn@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I was simply pointing out how lost the nuance of party lines is to that other guy. Everything has shifted, divides have grown, both parties are so right leaning there's no real left leaning representation left. Yet I only see both sides doubling down on their echo chambers. I went through this shit (and fell for it hard) on reddit, I don't want a repeat here.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm glad that you can admit Lincoln was a progressive who was in direct opposition to the conservatives of the time. You know the parties switched political orientations during the 1930's-1960's, don't you?

There's a reason modern Republicans love statues of the rebels and their precious confederate flags. You remember the confederates, right? They were the conservative slave-holders who fought AGAINST Lincoln and his progressive agenda of human rights.

Every word uttered by a conservative is either deception or manipulation. A conservative is simply not capable of entering any conversation in good faith.

[-] JGrffn@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

You're glad I admit what now? Lmao I know your country is literally burning in division of catastrophic proportions but no need to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is on the other side of the political spectrum.

Indeed conservatives shifted further right, and democrats also shifted right to the point that they don't represent the actual left leaning portion of the US, but by your tone on the matter, I wasn't sure you were aware of this shift. Are you also aware that the division between parties has been growing at alarming rates in recent years, whereas before you didn't have such ridiculous takes from either side? Every news channel and social media platform just keeps radicalizing and dividing and villanizing to the point where you actually come to believe the other side is the literal boogeyman that wants to burn the world down.

Reality is just a bit more nuanced than that. In the end, both sides will fuck you over because money, because the economy, because capitalism in general. Let's not pretend things would be different if everything was under the democrats' control. Sure, it can get Trump worse or DeSantis worse, but there's no "better" on the other side, just status quo and wall street money. The real truth is the political system in the US, and a lot of other countries, has been hijacked by money and corruption for a while now, and everyone is just cannon fodder to keep the money going and the power flowing.

Keep waging your war, just be mindful of spewing utter nonsense that just divides and radicalizes for the sake of dividing and radicalizing (such as that last paragraph). There are villains out there, and the GOO is absolutely rotten to the core, but we have to be mindful of just spewing utter hate like they do in their own bubbles, and we do have to remember that power corrupts no matter the side, take it from someone whose country got thrown under the bus by the Obama administration for the sake of "fighting communism", and Obama's been my favorite US president from recent years (Carter takes the crown, though). I don't know what the solution is to such ridiculous division in the US, but I'd wager it's not more hate and division.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

TLDR

But by skimming a few lines here and there, I can see that you never addressed any of your false statements. Instead, you seemed to blather on about political divides or some nonsense. Going on an unrelated tirade is a typical defense tactic used by conservatives attempting to obfuscate their deception when called out. They are still the ramblings of someone who thinks Lincoln was the leader of the conservatives of his time! 🤣LOL 😅

Nothing in your panicked, defensive comment suggests that you are capable of entering a dialogue in good faith. So, run along back to Truth Social or NAMBLA or wherever your kind linger these days and tell them all how cool you are for trolling the libs. You sure got us! Good one!

[-] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Youre a major dick if you can't be assed to read someone's comment. It is not cool, and very telling of child like behavior, I see it being all too common. It does not matter what the subject of his comment says, be a respectful person and do what they have done for you, humored you and read your comment.

[-] JGrffn@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What false statements? And if you're not gonna read for shit then you might as well just keep screaming like an utter idiot, you fucking dumbass.

Edit: No, actually Jesus fucking Christ you pissed me off. You're either a troll or a fucking buffoon for assuming I'm a right winger. Get your head out of your ass, you fucking shill.

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[-] petrol_sniff_king 5 points 8 months ago

where you actually come to believe the other side is the literal boogeyman

Am I allowed to bring up the coup attempt.

Damn, I wonder why the division is growing.

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[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Wow. You're next level ignorant.

Not even an American and you're trying to school Americans on America?

Fucking pigeon chess.

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[-] Hobbes@startrek.website 13 points 8 months ago

How do people this stupid still exist? Or is it just a Russian troll?

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 63 points 8 months ago

Former Texan here. Bring up the fact (and it is a fact) that the creation of Texas and its subsequent fight for independence was 100% slavery. Enjoy the fireworks.

[-] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Texas "was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which [Texas] people intended should exist in all future time"

Gee, what a hard question to figure out from historical sources, guess we'll never know what they were thinking...

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[-] crsu@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago

Nimarata Nikki Randhawa doesn't want to use her real name and Rafael Edward Cruz doesn't either.

Some family values. What are they trying to hide from us?

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

She's gone by Nikki forever, and her married name is Haley.

There's a ton of legitimate reasons to criticize her - let's stick with those.

Though honestly I'm probably going to vote in the Republican primaries this round to vote for her over Trump. I'm confident the Dems of the ballot will be people I can live with, so I might as well try to influence the Republican ticket.

Especially because I live in a state that's voting GOP no matter what.

[-] GrapesOfAss@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

It's not a criticism, it's denoting hypocrisy and we should be highlighting it as much as possible

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

How are nicknames hypocrisy?

You know Biden's first name isn't really Joe, right? And Clinton's first name was William. And Dwight Eisenhower went by "Ike." And Bernie's name is Bernard. And a dude named Edwin walked on the moon while going by "Buzz."

It's fine to have a nickname.

[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's not having a nickname that is the problem. The problem is using a nickname to sidestep racism that she is perpetuating by affiliating with a racist group.

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[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

In fairness she’s married to Michael Haley. It was only the right wingers that insisted on calling Obama Barrack Hussein.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

She knows where her racist, lost cause bread is buttered.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's not a lost cause for the candidates. These fuckers can loan their campaigns money at 20% interest legally and just pocket their contributors' cash.

They can also write books and easily make money there too.

It's a cash grab.

[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago

She doesn't know. She's a moron.

[-] tb_@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Or she does know but wishes to spread willful ignorance for power

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago

If Nikki Haley is having a townhall in your area please take the time out of your day to ask her this question. She should be required to answer this everywhere she goes.

[-] buddhabound@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

"Basically how the government was going to be run..." in regards to WHAT, Nikki?!?

[-] harry_balzac@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

It's like everyone who tries to defend the Rebellion has never read the CSA Constitution. It's pretty obvious it was about slavery.

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