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[-] blazera@kbin.social 155 points 1 year ago

My wages have not gone up and the prices i pay are still going up.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago

But the economy is doing great! Billionaires and corporations are making record profits while eliminating thousands and thousands of jobs!

[-] disheveledWallaby@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago

The DOW is a misery index. A measure of how much wealth can be extracted from the working class and reappropriated to the wealthy.

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Ya but they fired one full time worker and replaced them with three part time workers! Progress!

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

I'm confused. Wages are growing faster than inflation now. Unemployment is back down. Every metric for WORKERS (not stocks, markets, etc.) is on the up.

Do you have evidence I can read about this part time phenomena?

While I know things are generally bleak from a general late-stage capitalism point of view, and things cant be all good for everyone, but things are looking good or better, at least for most people. What benefit is there in denying this? It's the same FUD the media is spreading, I feel.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Specific inflation, like rent and food, are not down and not being beat by wages. Also the official inflation numbers don't include food.

Furthermore, there's decades of slippage to make up for, just in the official numbers. There is a 139 percent gap since 1974. (The first year for which numbers are easily accessible) That means that the inflation added up every year beats median wage change added every year by 139 points.

A couple months of beating core inflation isn't going to solve something that's been problematic since the mid 2000's.

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[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

That's all great in a vacuum, but when you add in housing costs suddenly none of those gains are enough.

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Totally! In the context of Biden's economic policies, generally, I think it reflects favorably for him.

I would like to see corporations banned from purchasing single family homes, massive rent control measures, etc. But these aren't things I can expect Biden to achieve unilaterally or quickly.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 111 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, even as a solid dem from my perspective this reads as “report how I want it to sound”. It falls flat.

That said; the economy is doing better (but unfortunately the kind of economic improvement that helps shareholders more than regular people), inflation slowed down, unionization is on the rise, fuel prices (temporarily, as always) are down…so that’s good.

But housing or every kind is still out of control. Record profits without commensurately rising wages. New cars are still fucking ridiculous money. We’re being subscribed to death.

So from an everyday perspective we are still getting fucked.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

There's not much Biden can do about late stage capitalism. We're reaching the end game. Where companies take us for just nearly everything we have to where we "survive" enough to keep working and paying them but just barely.

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago

Pandemic-disrupted supply chains are pretty much righted. Inflation is already back near normal levels. Labor shortages have eased. The Federal Reserve is poised to cut interest rates next year.

We'll still get a thousand stories about a looming recession.

Inflation is back near normal, but prices are not, and wages have not shifted to match those prices (partially due to the government fighting "wage inflation"). People are still worse off than they used to be. I don't think this is Biden's fault, but here we are anyway.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Biden has called this out. A lot of companies are still raising prices or aren't letting prices fall. They're still saying "oh, this is inflation causing this" while their costs fall and their profits rise.

Biden can't stop them singlehandedly. (He's a President, not a Supreme Dictator.) But he can call them out on it and use what powers he has to bear down on them somewhat if they don't stop.

It might not get all of them to stop (some might risk fines because the profits would be greater), but hopefully it will direct the anger towards the actual culprits - big companies taking advantage of past inflation to raise prices.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Biden can’t stop them singlehandedly.

No but since he couldn't stop them he decided the working class would pay the price and had the Federal Reserve fuck over the American people.

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago
[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 25 points 1 year ago

Those articles sure dont reflect the reality of me or anyone I know, by even a smidge

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Personal feelings aside, those are the numbers. Empirical evidence that what people think is just plain wrong. Why? I suspect what Biden is saying is true.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 23 points 1 year ago

Empirical evidence says I still have to skip grocery trips, and cant afford to fix my car.

So... I trust my lived in life over your numbers

[-] roscoe@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago

Me and everybody I know are doing great. My empirical evidence seems to disagree with yours.

Too bad nothing can be done about that. If only someone, maybe a government agency, could collect all the data and determine how the country is doing as a whole.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 14 points 1 year ago

Saying "the economy is turning up and things are getting better" when nothing changed is a lot different than saying "its all going to hell" when no one is struggling.

If you dont grok the difference, you were probably not at risk of the economy fucking you over like how people are frustrated about

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Everyone has personal experiences which shape their thinking, that doesn’t mean their thinking is correct or even any more true than someone else's. I can trust that I feel what 2 feet is on a board, but it's better if I measure it before I cut it.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

That's not why people are feeling pessimistic. Too much of the economic recovery is going to corporate profits and capitalist shareholders. The federal minimum wage is still half of a poverty wage, and the rent is still too damn high. The hyperinflation of the pandemic has made working for a living unsustainable. Taking inflation from 9% to 3% is great (setting aside for this conversation that any President shouldn't really take credit for economic matters) but it's reduce the rate at which a bad thing is getting worse. Existence is still unaffordable even with everybody employed. That's not spin, that's just the reality we've all been living in for a long time. The twin disasters of Trump and the pandemic put it all in stark relief, laying bare the grift of conservativism.

Biden is struggling because he's trying to play old politics. We've crossed the rubicon. Going back to normal isn't enough for people to feel hopeful, and reducing the rate of collapse isn't leadership. Biden thinks being at the helm while the ship slowly rights itself is the same as leadership, and there are enough people attacking him from the extreme other side that nobody is particularly happy with him.

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[-] june@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The looming recession talk is over. They’re ready to start making real money in the stock market again and are tired of the impact the recession talk had this year. It’s no surprise that it’s been about bang on a year since the recession talk started as we came into 2023 and the stock market hit record highs as we’re coming into 2024.

It was all fabricated for… reasons. Big orgs wanted to lay people off for some reason. Investment bankers wanted to gobble up securities for cheaper. Real estate firms wanted to drive down the real cost of homes (higher interest rates = lower sale price but higher cost to families, firms benefit by paying cash). They wanted it so they made it happen. They no longer want it so it’ll end.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Indeed. Much as though I like my payments from JP Morgan, Jamie Diamon was one of the first to scream recession. He did that to increase his own wealth, not any other reason.

[-] kava@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Americans are not stupid. You will not convince them the economy is good by spitting out some numbers twisted from the data. They feel it. They know how easy or hard it is to make ends meet. They know their rent goes up every year while their wages do not.

And the harder is gets, the more radical the population becomes. Establishment democrats like Biden will not be able to maintain the status quo. Normally I wouldn't care but their incompetence has consequences. A Trump victory at this point may signal the end of the US as we know it. We cannot continue to stay asleep at the wheel.

Your purchasing power has fallen over 20% in the last 3 years. We're talking and average of around 7% real inflation per year. Not the official "~3%" the government puts out. That's over 3x higher than average over the last 4 decades.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I prefer not to depend on feelings. My feelings can sometimes be wrong.. isolated data is not a prefered indicator, because it must be interpreted to be meaningful.

I've put several links in this string that should address your point.

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[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

That's true but peoples wages haven't gone up at a rate that keeps pace so everyone still feels poor and can't buy the things they need. That's the big issue. That's not been fixed and there is no plan to fix it. Now we all just have to wait around until our wages start to increase but we all know how long that takes.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

A new pet peeve. Not slamming, or blasting, but RIPPING. He tore these fuckers' jugulars out y'all!

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[-] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Translation: "we spent all this time massaging CPI and GDP, yall better report how great the economy is now!"

[-] scratchresistor@thelemmy.club 31 points 1 year ago

When they report that the economy is great, always ask for whom...

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

If you have to tell people how great the economy is, it's not that great.

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[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago
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I think this is one of the things Trump got right: there should be a more adversarial relationship between politicians and the press. Of course Trump was adversarial because he wanted to do awful things, and also he wanted to set up a state media apparatus, but still.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Well, Trump was adversarial to certain media outlets. Others, like FOX News, were All-But-State TV. They'd parrot whatever he said as the god given truth and he'd parrot whatever they said as truth. If Trump said that the election was stolen and COVID was no big deal, that's how FOX reported it. If they said that vaccines were dangerous and that immigrants were replacing "real Americans" (read: white people), he'd parrot that right back.

Also, adversarial relationships are good to a point. Biden is asking the media to cover things honestly. Trump was calling the media "The Enemy Of The People" and threatening to go after them (or encouraged his supporters to go after them) unless they fell in line. There's a huge difference between those two adversarial relationships.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Do we have to label calling people on their shit "adversarial"? To me that word has a connotation of reacting unreasonably.

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[-] Decoy321@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

What the hell are you talking about? Trump did massive damage to journalistic integrity as a whole. You ever hear the words "fake news" before he used it?

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

If Biden wants the media to cover him better he needs to do what Republicans do: give them a simple message. The other day I saw a Biden "I did that!" sticker on a national park fee payment station. Blatantly untrue? Yes. But it's simple and people aren't going to research or even think about whether park fees are Biden's fault.

"The economy sucks and it's the president's fault" is a simple message. But:

The U.S. unemployment rate was just 3.7 percent in November — barely above the pre-pandemic level of 3.5 percent, which was a five-decade low. Annual inflation has also fallen sharply from a peak of 9.1 percent in June 2022 to 3.1 percent in November, and the economy has defied widespread predictions of a recession.

These numbers will just be ignored. They don't fit in a headline or even an unpaid tweet. And I find people's natural reaction to numbers is to distrust them. "Yeah, but that's not the real unemployment/inflation/GDP/etc".

As for what that simple message can be, I have no idea. "Rising employment, plummeting inflation" might be an option, I dunno. But he needs to get someone in charge of messaging who will simplify things.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


President Biden criticized news coverage of the U.S. economy as he faces growing backlash from voters over his handling of inflation.

In brief remarks Saturday before boarding the presidential helicopter, Biden expressed confidence in the economy and ripped the reporters for the way it has been portrayed.

The economy has roared back from the COVID-19 recession under Biden, who enacted legislation for trillions of dollars of economic relief and investments shortly after taking office in 2021.

Biden and his Democratic allies have largely blamed the media and Republican critics for skewing the public’s views on the economy by exaggerating recession fears and dismissing record-setting job growth.

Pandemic stimulus and restrictions also fueled a surge in home prices and rents, deepening an affordable housing crisis that began long before COVID-19.

Many voters are also struggling with the long-term changes to their jobs and industries caused by COVID-19, along with the lapse of economic relief programs that temporarily lifted millions of Americans out of poverty.


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