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Tesla has to get more punishment than NOTHING. This sucks
Yeah, judging by the article, Tesla should take some responsibility here. Not that the driver should get off, if your car is blowing a red light at 120km/h you're just not paying proper attention.
Sure, I'd prefer to know more exactly the time between. Was it 2 seconds or 25? But my premise is this shouldn't happen in the software. I know I read some time ago that Teslas had shut off the software moments before collision, no time to save it, but I'd have to double check that. All to blame the customer
Automakers should not be allowed to use the unsuspecting public as toys for their experimental software, it quickly becomes a 1-4 ton death machine, but I think we agree on that.
Oh yeah, I work in software development myself. No way I'd trust my life to something like Tesla's autopilot, which is perpetually in beta, relies on just the camera feed and is basically run by a manager that has clear issues with over promising and under delivering (among other things). You can get away with shit like that for a website or mobile app, but these are people's lives.
Sounds like a convenient excuse by the driver who ran a red light.
Their families have separately filed civil lawsuits against Aziz Riad and Tesla that are ongoing.
Suing Tesla seems a little dumb to me. Sue the DMV that's giving people like this licenses
Auto manufacturers must be held liable for faulty software. If it's not safe, it does not go on the road
Only if the software is causing the accident or preventing the driver from avoiding one. Here the fault of the software was to not slow down out of the highway (which by experience must be a very specific situation because it most certainly do), the drive could have disengage autopilot or applied brakes to stop at the red light. The software specifically mentions it can't stop at red lights and alerts the driver when it's about to burn one. 100% of fault is the driver here.
Are manufacturers solely responsible for safety, or lack thereof, on the public roads of the USA?
I don't believe they are.
Solely? No. But if the airbag, seatbelt, or self-driving autopilot feature that they created contributed to someone's death, they are partially responsible and should face consequences or punishments. Especially if they market it as a safe feature.
Your point being?
They are legally protected from the punishment of more than anything. Nothing will ever hit them with more than NOTHING.
Then the law has failed, which was my point from the start.
Why would you try to belittle me by repeating my opinion? That doesn't make sense at all.
Because unless you plan on becoming a lobbyist, or politician, or activist nothing will change. Sitting around saying "They have to get in trouble in some manner" doesn't do anything. If you want that to happen, since they are legally protected from what you want, go make a change.
I don't live in the US, but the first step towards change is getting mad and raising awareness, this is the change I can make.
Closer to home, I full heartedly support the strike on Tesla Sweden for example.
So if I want to kill someone and get away with it I just run them over with a Tesla? Nice..
A get out of jail free car.
Tesla's are more likely, but typically your average car will do.
Same as it ever was Kill a Pedestrian, Pay a $500 Fine
Come join the war on cars. !fuckcars@lemmy.world
Lol.... No one is going to join your little war when the see the brainless mindless posts that you lot like to circle jerk over.
I'd love to see a massive reduction in the dependence on cars, but you lot are doing more harm than good picking on non issues and making shit up.
Just because it's a circlejerk doesn't mean it's inaccurate.
Leading preventable cause of death of children and main source of climate change emissions is worth being radical about.
And where are they "making shit up" or "picking on non-issues"?
That's how we differ.
You're focusing on being radical and using emotional buzz words (death of children), where as I'm actually interested in changing the status quo with regard to cars, and have been effective in doing so at a local level without making an ass of myself.
I share what I've achieved when practical and many good discussions come of it.
What have you done today?
Yell at the internet about 'trucks' that very few actually use and get a few pats in the back for it?
The difference is, fuck cars is an ineffective and damaging community when it comes to influencing positive change, and you think you're part of the solution when in fact your part of the problem.
People are never going to take a community like that seriously while so critical and full of negativity.
Just want you to know that you're not alone against the massive Lemmy hivemind downvoting you. The car hate is strong here but it's very easy to block them and ignore them.
How can I register that I don't want leniency for someone who manslaughters me?
Like, I get it. We like in a society. Compassion. All that stuff. It doesn't have to be life in prison. But it better be enough prison to ruin their life; just enough. Just enough that they always feel like those things that Ursula turns all the mermaids into in little mermaid. Like king triton looks like a little shitty barnicle instead of a big muscle daddy.
Oh, and no memoirs or books or anything about how they were the first guy to get postmortem denied parole because of my no pussy manslaughter sentence clause.
If you want it to just be enough to ruin their lifes then why don't we just start executing them on the side of the road?
I'm having real trouble understanding people who advocate for a world like that. Tomorrow it might be your mom checking your text to bring some orange juice from the store aswell and then she hits a pedestrian and now we're going to ruin her life for it because apparently she deserves it. This is the world you guys want to live in?
Or someone close to you could be killed by a driver using autopilot like this.
Want to elaborate? I'm not sure what you're trying to argue for there.
Yeah, similar thoughts. People fuck up, make terrible mistakes through stupidity or bad luck or whatever and end up killing people and the best thing for society as a whole is rehabilitation and forgiveness.
That said, if it was one of my family, I'd be campaigning for the driver to have "my negligence killed two people" tattooed on their forehead so they never, ever get to forget the damage they have done
Fair, but I'll assert it's invalid
The end goal should always be a better society. Punishment isn't an effective way to discourage behavior.
Maybe one day, someone kills my sister. I'd happily kill them. I'd do it with no remorse, and I'd do it with or without understanding the situation.
I should be stopped if I'm in that situation. I'll be pissed, but everyone will be better off if I hold back. So, society should hold be back
In a way I agree, there has to be a major deterrent for this level of negligence. That said, "ruin their life" isn't IMHO the right way to go. I'd be happier if they kept living a productive life, but they'd better be supporting the people who depend on me.
You want them to learn their lesson but how do you do that without ruining lives? How do you do it before they kill two people? I think that level of change has to be governmental and even cultural. Reducing dependence on cars, increasing how seriously driving is taken, etc
Okay but these are parties who should pay or at least be investigated for fault as well:
- Tesla, obviously (stop calling it autopilot. This is why idiots treat it like, ya know, autopilot.)
- Traffic Engineers (probably out of tax payers pockets. Sorry, not sorry. Pay attention to your transport infrastructure as well as who you elect to maintain and design it. Why is it that the US has had such an increase in road fatalities and incidents when so many European nations have seen a decrease? Consider why that is and how that can be replicated here. Also, unfuck the average american's mindset on roundabouts. I don't know why so many of us hate roundabouts with a rabid anger, but at the same time will complain about red lights without a single ounce of irony.)
I owe more in college debt…
Bro they definitely payed 10k in lawyers it was that our prison so
Even so, most of my college tuition was paid as I went through
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A Tesla driver will pay more than $23,000 in restitution for the deaths of two people during a 2019 car crash in a Los Angeles suburb, a decision announced the same day that the automaker recalled nearly all vehicles sold in the U.S.
Wednesday’s court hearing wrapped up a case believed to be the first time in the U.S. prosecutors brought felony charges against a motorist who was using a partially automated driving system.
The recall affects more than 2 million Tesla vehicles and will update software and fix a defective system that’s supposed to ensure drivers are paying attention when using Autopilot.
The Tesla driver in the Los Angeles case, Kevin Aziz Riad, pleaded no contest to two counts of vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence.
Authorities say Aziz Riad, a limousine service driver, was at the wheel of a Tesla Model S that was moving at 74 mph (119 kph) when it left a freeway and ran a red light on a local street in Gardena, California, on Dec. 29, 2019.
The Tesla, which was using Autopilot at the time, struck a Honda Civic at an intersection, and the car’s occupants, Gilberto Alcazar Lopez and Maria Guadalupe Nieves-Lopez, died at the scene.
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The driver was pushing the pedal so the car didn't break.
Another brilliant solution by America™
That's all we're worth, huh?
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