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[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Believe it or not, pulling money out of circulation and putting it promptly back in doesn't effect the total supply!

It's a canard for doing less about climate change without saying that outright, since their base demands the former and the broader public demands the latter. Plus, they get to talk about less taxes, which makes their other natural demographic happy.

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, for way too many Canadians, believing fairy tales from PP and the Cons is more convenient than reality.

[-] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Canada needs more beavers

[-] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

Well no shit, but it's still crippling the cash flow of citizens, on top of their money being worthless.

And before we go all "but the majority of people get more money back than they put in!"

I've never received a fucking dime back, and I'm in a very median tax bracket. Why do I need to jump through more hoops every year to get my money back? The extra cash flow is more beneficial than stock pilling my money with the government, and waiting for their slow ass to give it back

Just feels like virtue signalling bullshit.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’ve never received a fucking dime back, and I’m in a very median tax bracket.

Are you sure? They send it out quarterly. I'm guessing you just didn't notice on your end.

The rebate is a small amount, because they only take a small amount.

[-] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

Very sure. Guess I'll get on the phone and start having weeks worth of back and forth with our very competent and efficient CRA to see if back pay is an option

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago

If you go on Canada.ca you can see all the history of the payments as well as how those payments were delivered and if there was some sort of problem, that's probably the best place to start.

[-] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't know what province you're in, but some of them have their own program.

You wouldn't be the first person who's sure they're not getting them, because they come as a direct deposit and slip under the radar.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago

Quebec and BC doesn't get it because the federal tax doesn't apply, just in case you live in one of those two provinces.

[-] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

I'm not in those provinces

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Then check your account on the government's website because you're supposed to get a financial compensation that's high enough that you can drive 15k km and heat using oil and still come up ahead.

Complaining that you don't get it and blaming the government and pretending it's fake (I checked your history, it's at least the second time you complain about that) instead of trying to find out if/why you don't get it, that's on you buddy and you sure look like the kind of guy that's all about people's own responsibilities (again, from your history).

[-] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

15km? Heat with oil? What small city in Nova Scotia do you live in?

Why is it my fault that the government imposed a tax, and then said "don't worry, we'll give it back!" and then didn't?

My main complaint here is that I constantly have to jump through ridiculous hoops with the government to get money that I'd already earned, but they just take it freely

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

15k km

15 000km

I'm sure you have yet to check if you actually don't receive it, you probably do and don't realize it.

Or it's simply that you're not eligible because you're under 19 or don't fill your taxes 🤔

[-] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

I 100% went back and checked, after I was told it's "very small" and probably wouldn't notice it.

I appreciate you trying to help out though, thank you. You're the most competent CRA employee I've ever spoken to

[-] XbSuper@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

It's not causing inflation, but it is increasing the cost of a product I have no choice but to buy. And does absolutely nothing to help the environment. I really hate Trudeau, and even more, I hate that I voted for him.

[-] labsin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why wouldn't it help the environment? The only way producers can pollute less is if it would cost less money. It will and can only happen if it pays to produce less co2

[-] XbSuper@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

So put the cost to the companies, not me. I'm stretched thin as is, I don't have more money for another stupid tax. Maybe if I had a little extra, I'd consider installing a few solar panels in my home, or perhaps a new EV. But no, instead the government will find a way to reach into my pocket to take what's left.

[-] agarorn@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

.... So do you think if the companies would need to pay the tax, they wouldn't just transfer the cost onto you? What would this solution make better?

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Offer a better option or accept reality. We're all in this together, how about we don't shit the bed.

If you want to blame someone, look at the biggest polluters... wealthy people with extravagant luxury making decisions for their bottom line that hurt the rest of us.

[-] XbSuper@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe, I'm honestly not sure what the right answer is, just that this does nothing but hurt Canadians already struggling. It won't slow the use of gasoline in the slightest.

But really, I never expect anything to be done for the people. Aside from a select lucky few, the world is set against us from the day we're born.

[-] labsin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Yes it will probably also mean buying less, smaller housing and less private cars. But it would also make alternatives viable that just can't exist right now and make less polluting solutions cheaper cause of scale (like what now happens with solar panels) and they wouldn't even need much subsidies to get them off the ground.

That it will hurt is also why I think it will never happen cause any government that takes big steps will not be in office for 4 years. It can also only happen with:

  • Higher minimum wage
  • Adorable and risk free loans for energy reduction
  • Social adjustments as the lowest wages are the most impacted (can be paid for with the taxes)
[-] franklin@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Your premise is flawed the only reason it falls under the principles of inelastic demand is because of the way our country is structured for cars, if you use the tax to make systemic changes, making public transit and walking/biking possible this is no longer true.

I'm not saying it's an easy transition but it is a necessary one and Norway and Denmark proves it's possible

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