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Warner Robins teacher accused of threatening to kill student over comment about his Israeli flag (www.13wmaz.com)

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WARNER ROBINS, Ga. — A Warner Robins teacher is accused of threatening to behead a student after she made a comment about his Israeli flag, according to the Houston County Sheriff's Office.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 77 points 2 years ago

After that, several different witnesses independently said they heard Reese say, "he would kick her fg a, slit her godn throat and drag her a** outside and cut her head off."

The same witness says Reese was later seen returning to his classroom, cursing extremely loudly. The witness says he was yelling that he "should not be spoken to like that because he is a Jew."

He went on saying, "I will drag her a** into the parking lot, slit her f*****g throat and kill her."

Wow, not sure to call him ultra-nationalist or religious-extremist.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Not all zionists are religious, like at all.

[-] cozz33@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

It takes like 10 minutes of googling to see Zionism is an umbrella term for multiple different schools of thoughts. People are turning it into some slur when at its core it’s the belief that Jews have a right to a state. Keep in mind that Jews are both a race and a religion.

[-] raynethackery@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Race is a construct. We are all the same species.

[-] GojuRyu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yes but so is Money, the significance of a social construct comes from how much society as a whole puts stock in the ideas. Unfortunately race is very relevant in today's world as ethnicity and perceived race is a big factor in how issues are discussed and acted on.

I may be overreacting a bit, but your comment sounds a lot like the colorblind/all lives matter rethoric to me in this context, so I want to emphasize it's significance to this discussion.

[-] Thoth19@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Well it's more of a state in a specific place and that maybe everyone should go there.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

it’s the belief that Jews have a right to a state.

Bullcrap. Zionism originated as an antisemitic Christian idea that was specifically based on the premise that Jewish people "don't belong" in (so-called) "western civilization" and should return "where they came from" - ie, Palestine.

Keep in mind that Jews are both a race and a religion.

White supremacist much? Do you want to tell me now that Ethiopian Jewish people and Ashkenazi are the same "race"?

[-] cozz33@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Uh no, Zionism is not a Christian idea. It’s been an idea long before Christianity was even around. I’m flabbergasted that you called me a white supremacist for stating a fact. Ethiopian and Ashkenazi Jews could very well share DNA linking them back to the original Jewish diaspora.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/03/21/beta-israel-reconsidered-defending-israelite-ancestry-ethiopian-jews/

“As the BBC reports, the study suggests that “Ethiopians mixed with Egyptian, Israeli or Syrian populations about 3,000 years ago.” Professor Chris Tyler-Smith, from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, told the BBC: “By analyzing the genetics of Ethiopia and several other regions we can see that there was gene flow into Ethiopia, probably from the Levant, around 3,000 years ago, and this fits perfectly with the story of the Queen of Sheba.” Note that the study does not contradict the 2007 work by Entine or other historical evidence. The results suggest that Israelites-Jews entered the region 3,000 years ago, but they were not necessarily consolidated as a group until about 1,500 years ago. Also, note the study does not necessarily confirm the biblical story of affair between Queen Sheba of ancient Ethiopia and king Solomon of ancient Israel.”

Here’s another

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3543766/

“By principal component analysis, it was observed that the Jewish populations of Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East formed a tight cluster that distinguished them from their non-Jewish neighbors (Fig. 1). Within this central cluster, each of these Jewish populations formed its own subcluster, in addition to the more remote localization of members of some Diaspora communities. The observation of a major central tight cluster was supported by statistical metrics for genetic distances (Fst, allelic sharing distances).”

With all this said, even if Ethiopian Jews and Ashkenazi Jews are not actually genetically related, they still get targeted the same whether they practice Judaism or not.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I’m flabbergasted that you called me a white supremacist for stating a fact.

Oh, look... a white supremacist is "flabbergasted" that someone pointed out their white supremacism.

Yawn.

Uh no, Zionism is not a Christian idea

Nope. Christian zionism predates Jewish zionism by about two decades. It's such non-controversial history you'll even find it on wikipedia, Clyde.

Ethiopian Jews and Ashkenazi Jews are not actually genetically related,

I'm genetically related to every other human being on the planet, genius - does that make me every "race" according to people like you who buy into the tenets of "race science"?

[-] cozz33@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

I have literally no idea how Jewish communities sharing specific DNA linking them to the levant has anything to do with white supremacy, or how that makes me a white supremacist. Zionism started after the Jewish Diaspora in 8th century BCE. Are all scientists that study genetics racist? Where are you getting this from and why are you so angry about it?

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Zionism started after the Jewish Diaspora in 8th century BCE.

No, it didn’t. Zionism started in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

[-] cozz33@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

This has happened before. One specific movement started then, but the idea is very old https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Zion

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

And that’s not “Zionism.” You could say it was a precursor, but Zionism is distinct thing.

[-] cozz33@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

This is the very first line in the book “Der Judenstaat” by Theodor Herzl, considered to be the father of modern Zionism starting with this book. “The idea which I have developed in this pamphlet is a very old one: it is the restoration of the Jewish State.” Herzl simply renewed the idea in modern times, so many websites will list him as the start. However, a little digging into Jewish history and you will find Zionism is a very old idea.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I have literally no idea how Jewish communities sharing specific DNA

Only a white supremacist classifies people into "races" based on arbitrary bullcrap like "sharing specific DNA." Methinks you don't seem to know how white supremacism works - despite the fact that you see the world through it's lens. It's a pretty common symptom amongst sufferers of the particular disease we call "westernism."

Zionism started after the Jewish Diaspora in 8th century BCE.

No it didn't, Clyde. Again... it’s such non-controversial history you’ll even find it on wikipedia.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Race is the wrong word in the modern American context. Jews aren't a race in the sense of black vs white.

Jews are, however, an ethnicity - much like how you can be ethnically Navaho or ethnically Basque. It's a matter of being part of a community of people with a shared culture and ancestry. And yes, beta Israel and Ashkenazim are both ethnically Jewish.

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[-] cozz33@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

If westernism is a disease which region is the cure professor Tank

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[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Are you trying to act like an asshole? Like.. cause you are.

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[-] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So now even Jew haters are Zionists?

Much like "nazi" you silly fucks are now trying to water down that word.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

It's always funny watching you people get mad when people call out zionism for what it is.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Oh, look... the fascists are now desperately hoping we're going to forget what the word nazi means.

Yeah... not going to happen, fash.

[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 27 points 2 years ago

Violent bigots come in ever flavor. At a certain point, it's not worth the effort to suss out the source of their prejudices. It's an unanswerable question that leads to the same dissapointment in simple minded zealotry no matter their specific path.

I'd rather spend time trying to understand the ones I respect instead of getting lost in the maze of a random scum.

[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Best comment in this shit-stained comment section.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Wow, not sure to call him ultra-nationalist or religious-extremist.

Fascist. That's the word you're looking for.

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

Religious nationalist is not a synonym for fascist. We need to stop diluting the meaning of the word fascist.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Religious nationalist

"Religious nationalist" is an oxymoron - especially when it comes to Abrahamic religions. Saluting a piece of colored fabric and treating it with any kind of reverential significance literally breaks the very first commandment.

They are neither religious - they literally act in direct contravention of the teachings they (supposedly) "follow" - nor nationalist - they literally (and overtly) place the interests of a small wealthy elite above the interests of the people in the nation.

No, Clyde - they are fascists.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Nations aren't considered gods, and flags aren't idols of those non-gods. You don't sacrifice goats to the flag, or burn incense for it.

Judaism has historically looked at Christian beliefs and practices with way, way more suspicion of polytheism and idolatry than it's ever looked at national flags.

The teacher here is unhinged, but you clearly don't really know very much about the ten commandments, especially from a Jewish context.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Nations aren’t considered gods

Oh really? Children aren't brainwashed into worshipping the classical liberal nation-states they are born into with religious-like reverance?

Really?

You don’t sacrifice goats to the flag,

No, we sacrifice people to them. Do tell, Clyde - how many USians have sacrificed themselves to "defend America" in the past couple of decades?

Judaism has historically looked at Christian beliefs

Oh, I see Jewish people everywhere being very suspicious of your precious nationalist religion... and it's not a new thing, either.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yes. Children do not literally worship their nation-state with literal religious reverence. No rabbi would tell you that the ten commandments are about prohibiting metaphorical sacrifices to metaphorical religions.

No rabbi would say that saying that someone "worships money" turns their wallet into an alter and their job into idol worship. Religiously, it's just a metaphorical turn of phrase.

Maimonides, probably the most influential rabbi of the middle ages, explicitly called Christians idolaters. The trinity isn't precisely considered polytheistic; the Hebrew term is shituf.

Can you find a single rabbi who would call volunteering to join a military and dying at war halachically prohibited human sacrifice to the nation-as-god or flag-as-idol?

And where exactly did I call myself a religious nationalist? I'm just saying that your argument that the term is an oxymoron is idiotic and betrays a deep ignorance of the religion. I mean, you couldn't even quote the right commandment - in Judaism, the first item on the ten commandants is "I am the lord your God", which makes your argument a complete non sequitur.

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[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Totally reasonable reaction to have...

(Please tell me I don't need to tag this as sarcasm)

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

This really has nothing to do with religion or politics - that’s just the trigger.

This person needs to be put into psychiatric care immediately and given the appropriate treatment as they are a danger to themselves and others. They should not be allowed to post a bond and leave custody. A medical evaluation should be performed, obviously, but this is clearly a psychiatric case.

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[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Seriously, what the flying fuck are you talking about?

People who commit acts of violence like this are quite clearly psychotic - whether it’s a mother murdering her children, a teacher threatening to murder a student, a gunman on campus, or someone who gets into fight after fight in bars. There is something broken in their brain.

Let me walk you through this, since your background in the subject is lacking. I will bet you $1000 dollars that if we were to do a neuroimaging on this man, we would see that his amygdala - the part of the brain that senses threat and engages the rest of the brain in a threat response is hypertrophied. His limbic system, which controls emotional response, is primed to react to a level of stimulation so small that probably neither you nor I would notice. His prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for pushing back on those signals through rationality and long term planning is hypotrophied. It is decoupled and unable to do its job. This is the same as we see in violent individuals throughout the prison system.

There are a number of ways this can happen. Having been abused as a child is one. Having been malnourished. Having grown up experiencing social abuse and rejection. It’s more likely than average he suffered a traumatic brain injury at some point in his history. TBIs are about ten times as common in the violent prison population as in society as a whole.

This man’s clinical condition dictated his interpretation of himself, which includes his religion. It’s the same for the gunman. It’s the same for the child abuser.

You will find the same in the brains of Hamas and IDF combatants. You will find, in a time series study, that these conditions become more extreme as a result of combat stress and ptsd. The Palestinian children who are being subjected to this massacre will display these same symptoms. The inner city kids in the US who grow up in a culture of systemic racism and violence show these same symptoms.

If you’re the kind of person who ascribes this kind of behavior to someone being an “evil” person or having an “evil” ideology, I strongly suggest you read some textbooks on neuropsychology and behavioral science.

[-] GojuRyu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honest question: are you in favor of all (spontaneous?) violent crime being treated as a psychological problem, rather than a judicial one?

It sounds like you might, which I'm not necessarily against. I'm mostly asking because it I and probably others initially read your first comment as this being an exceptional case that should be treated differently. That made you sound to me like you were explaining things away. But from reading more of your comments I'm not so sure that's the case, it seems to me like you may just have some underlying principles that do not align with the current system. This would be a very different interpretation of your comments, that if true, I'd like to understand.

Edit: I just read the only comment of yours I hadn't read when I wrote this, which seems to confirm that you want it in general. I'm all for rehabilitation being the main goal in the justice system. Apparently I just didn't get that that was what you were arguing for to begin with.

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't blame it on Judaism (religion) but it's pretty clearly a political thing.

It's a pretty normal reaction for a Zionist.

[-] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

But make sure they can still vote Republican, right?

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I’m going to pretend your question was serious.

Should we allow people with diagnosed psychoses to vote? People with schizophrenia or other psychological conditions?

In the traditional good-and-evil model of the prison system as it exists in the US today, I am very much in favor of allowing prisoners to vote both while in prison and after having served their time. I believe that because I believe that the prison system is fundamentally unjust, that innocent people are jailed, that there is significant racial prejudice constantly driving the system, and that there’s no scientific evidence driven justification for what we do and how we do it. Rubin Carter should have been able to vote. Leonard Peltier should have been able to vote. Until we fix the criminal justice system, I think it’s wrong to deny prisoners the right to vote, and I think we need to make sure their votes are made without coercion and properly registered.

But should we allow someone with a clinically diagnosed psychological condition like schizophrenia to vote? They are wracked by delusions, what does their vote mean? For me, it goes down to the assumption of rational agency being part of the justification of a democratic system in the first place, versus the obvious fear of weaponized medical diagnoses being used for political purposes.

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