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A federal appeals court rejected Donald Trump’s use of presidential immunity in a bid to dismiss a civil defamation lawsuit brought by former magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll.

The judges found that Trump waived using presidential immunity as a defense by not raising it earlier in the litigation over Carroll’s claim that Trump defamed her when, as president, he denied her allegations of sexual assault. The appeals court also affirmed the lower court’s ruling that rejected Trump’s motion for summary judgement.

“This case presents a vexing question of first impression: whether presidential immunity is waivable. We answer in the affirmative and further hold that Donald J. Trump (‘Defendant’) waived the defense of presidential immunity by failing to raise it as an affirmative defense in his answer to E. Jean Carroll’s (‘Plaintiff’s’) complaint, which alleged that Defendant defamed her by claiming that she had fabricated her account of Defendant sexually assaulting her in the mid1990s.,” the court ruled.

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 167 points 11 months ago

Trump is single-handedly defining the legal limits of presidential assholery.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 128 points 11 months ago

Which would be fantastic, if it weren't for the fact that he has a very real shot at returning to the white house and making this all a moot point.

I still can't believe so many people don't see him for the criminal, con-man, grifter, anti-christ, etc that he is.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I still cannot believe that people are so shocked to find out so much of the country have been brainwashed to be hateful bigots, ready to yell at their neighbor for wearing a rainbow shirt before they'll yell at Raytheon et. al. for profiting from the few literal genocides the US has weapons going to right now.

There ARE terrible people in the world, and laws don't magically put them behind bars.

[-] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I can believe it. Easily. No problem at all.

[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

You must have worked with customers/the public.

[-] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Yes. But not for a long time.

[-] isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

He's basically our "generations" Nixon at this point it seems.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

From what I know about Nixon, Trump is way worse.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Nixon had the decency to get in a helicopter and fly the fuck away when it came to light what a piece of shit he was.

"He said, ‘I have to do this,’ and so he went… he felt this very deeply. He knew he had lost the respect of the American people," Ziegler said.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

I still can’t believe so many people don’t see him for the criminal, con-man, grifter, anti-christ, etc that he is.

you don't have to make sense of it. they're all lying. they know what he is and don't care, because he'll let them hurt who they want to hurt.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

They do. They don't care. Half the population loves this Jerry Springer bullshit.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

How so?

There haven't been any real consequences for anything he's done, unless you count a mugshot.

And, thanks to Biden just ignoring the poor and middle class, he stands a very real chance of reelection.

[-] Rapture@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Crazy that all of your comments are far right talking points

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

If you don't want to hear valid critiques of Democratic governance, then do better.

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

They literally had the thinnest majority in the Senate including the poison pills that are Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. They cant carry out any of their platform with Republicans stabding in staunch opposition of anything that helps people more than shareholders.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Now see.

That is where Democrats truly excel: making excuses.

I'm not sure how you sat through four years of Trump and still believe that Biden is somehow magically powerless.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

"Don't blame us Republicans! We've only been sabotaging all attempts to govern for decades!"

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If kids could eat excuses there would be no such thing as student lunch debt, but since Democrats don't do their job, there is.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Actually, no.

I'm giving Democrats proper credit for doing jack shit about it when we gave them power.

I don't differentiate between perpetrator and collaborator when the net result is the same.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lmao, right, you’ll “give Dems credit” but clearly have no idea how our government works (hint: it’s not an empire and dems can’t magically decree laws)— for which you should blame the Republicans who keep slashing school budgets.

But keep lying to yourself after I’ve proved you wrong. I’m bored and need a good laugh.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

All you've done is make the same excuses Democrats do, and yet, you still expect me to vote for them after doing so.

No wonder people think voting doesn't change anything.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I’ve proven you wrong with multiple sources while you’ve proven too dumb to know how our government works, lol

Thanks for the entertainment!

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

problem is, he might end up defining them as "entirely unchecked, retroactively"

[-] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago

"You see, your honor, when I raped this woman it was an official function of the president of the United States! Obviously, presidential immunity must apply!"

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah sure drumpf raped a bunch of women, but let’s impeach biden because his son is related to him.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

raped a bunch of women

....and a few minors (children), along the way

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago

There is no such thing as “presidential immunity”.

[-] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"I'M SAYING THAT WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL!!" - Some guy named Nixon

[-] _wizard@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I'm no lawyer so I could be way off base, but does this set the groundwork for some kind of precedent?

[-] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"In May 1997 the Supreme Court unanimously rejected Bill Clinton's claim that the Constitution immunized him from civil lawsuits"

Isn't that already a precedent?

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Roe vs Wade was a precedent.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

With the current supreme Court? Who the hell knows.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago

Silly rabbit, precedents aren't a thing anymore.

[-] ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Also no lawyer, but my understanding is that it doesn't. The appeals court hasn't ruled that presidential immunity wouldn't be a valid defence, but rather that Trump should have brought it up earlier if he wanted to use it.

[-] prayer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Courts often take the most narrow view possible to answer the question. This is an example of that. The only question answered is "Can a president raise the issue of immunity at this stage in the trial", with the answer being "no". They didn't comment on if presidential immunity is valid in this situation. The only precedent set is that presidential immunity must be brought up at te start of litigation.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
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