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[-] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 89 points 2 years ago

“People want to live where they know their neighbors don’t want to wipe them from the face of the earth. More at 11.”

[-] Ddubz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Exemplified by the fact that we have started having free states again like during the civil war. The Maryland governor has been very clear and direct that the state of Maryland will take in political and social refugees from Florida and Texas. Where transpeople are being forced to die or pretend not to exist in Florida, Maryland is codifying their right to be and live as who they are.

You can't blame lefties and progressives for wanting to escape to freedom when their other option is death or hiding.

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[-] Wakdem@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The wealthy want us to fight a culture war to distract us from the class war we should be having.

[-] Detry@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[-] Vyxor@kbin.social 28 points 2 years ago

In any war the only winner is the rich. If the rich lose, then it's called a revolution instead.

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[-] Chadarius@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago

This is a good thing. The only way the red states will change is by getting worse and worse. They will have no doctors, teachers, nurses, lawyers, or corporations that will purposefully live or do their work there if they can help it. If you are a woman, a person of color, a migrant, an LGBTQ person, a child, or anything other than an old white man, the red states are no longer safe for you.

I basically refuse to go to most of those states if I can help it. Florida? You couldn't pay me to set foot in that state. I feel they same about Texas and many others.

I want conservatism to thrive. It does have a place in a healthy political system. But, my friends, the conservatives are the moderate Dems now. I don't know what else to call the Republicans, other than fascists or cult members. It is a sickness that any person in their right mind should run as fast as they can from.

The truly upsetting part about this is that there are people that are desperate to leave those fascist states, that can't for a variety of reasons outside their control. I wish things were different. This is just insanity.

[-] Bridger@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I want conservatism to thrive. It does have a place in a healthy political system.

What place is that? Conservatism at it's core is about maintaining the aristocracy/hierarchy. That's what it started as, and it's never wavered from that mission. All of the claims towards 'conserving what is good' or 'fiscal responsibility' or 'protecting individual rights' are just that: claims. They have never acted in ways that would back those claims up unless their actions also helped maintain/promote the aristocracy. The rest is just noise and propaganda designed to make their positions sound palatable.

I don't see any place for that in a healthy political system.

[-] Chadarius@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

I disagree with you, but respectfully. Conservatism is basically just people who, for a variety of reasons (not all of them bad), generally vote for the status quo. This is human nature. Progressives are willing to push forward but also sometimes without regard to some of the consequences. Also human nature. Some people are bold and some people are timid. Having both around in a balanced way helps us all move forward with careful thought. That system is good overall.

The problem is that conservatives are really moderate democrats now. The modern Republicans are not conservatives. They are fascist cultist morons. I believe I explained myself fairly well in my first post. You might want to read the whole thing next time :)

[-] Ennuigo@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

I disagree that it is "good" overall. Conservative policies have always stood in the way of any movement to treat all people equally because the status quo benefits a sections of the population. Slavery. Racism. Sexism. Etc. None of these needed to be "conserved" and we would be a better society if we had been able to address them sooner. Also, conservative power structures when threatened by progress default to authoritarian in brutal fashion. The Holocaust. The Civil War. The Inquisition. Etc. And this is just in the West.

The modern Republican is not an aberration. It is the final form of Conservatism.

I have seen no proof that the consequences of rampant Progressivism are in any way equal to the horrors of rampant Conservatism. The idea that we need to validate Conservativism to "balance out" Progressivism seems to me to be a dangerous myth that is paid for with the blood of oppressed people.

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[-] ceeg@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

The only way the red states will change is by getting worse and worse. They will have no doctors, teachers, nurses, lawyers, or corporations that will purposefully live or do their work there if they can help it. If you are a woman, a person of color, a migrant, an LGBTQ person, a child, or anything other than an old white man, the red states are no longer safe for you.

ah so if you're poor, taking care of loved ones, or otherwise unable to move, then your life is acceptable collateral damage? accelerationism has victims.

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[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

I wholeheartedly disagree. We need to wake up to a more refined political system. A two party system will not sustain a future. We are in a lull due to the previous 6 years being a total shit show.

However, a healthy political system represents the constituents. Our system represents the representatives. Europe has the right idea and has been doing it a lot longer. Having 12 candidates elected on merit makes the country more productive and satisfied with their choice.

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[-] Drusas@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

Florida Republicans are working reeaally hard to kill their state's entire economy right now. Attacking Disney (the state's biggest employer) and undocumented immigrants (the backbone of the state's agricultural industry and a key part of the labor force for various others such as construction and hospitality), driving away teachers by taking away their right to actually teach, etc.

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[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They don't care.

Drive through WV and let me know how much further it has to fall for them to get it.

Go to full red states and listen to them complain about issues that are 100% state legislature and governor issues. But they find a way to blame Obama, Biden, and still fucking cry about Clinton. Both of the Clintons.

The brainwashing is 100%

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[-] bucnaked@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago

Oklahoma here and am ready to get the fuck out

[-] rezz@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There are a good number of Okies on here and Mastodon. Welcome!

I actually think Oklahoma is a few years away from a blue tipping point, similar to the effect Denver has had on Colorado, where the urban majority has rapidly tipped things blue.

The awful superintendent is low key the best thing to ever happen to education here—there is a bubbling reaction even within the right to react to him and Stitt’s policies. And turning around education is the only thing needed to stop “blue” families from declining job offers here. Which would cascade the social landscape rapidly.

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[-] Marcy_Stella@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

TBF considering red states want to make my existence illegal and send me to jail for being me(Trans) it does make sense for me to go to a place where I'm not threatened. Pennsylvania is more of a purple state but at least I know they aren't going to turn on me for some political points.

[-] GiddyGap@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

From a political perspective, moving to purple states (e.g. PA, GA, AZ, NV, NC, WI, MI) makes much more sense than sorting into blue and red states, which would give Republicans disproportionate power at all levels.

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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago

When one group became openly hostile to multiple populations of people based on things like race and sexuality, it's no longer 'voting with your feet', it becomes 'go somewhere they're not gonna shoot my son'

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

Yeah this article was interesting, but absolutely drenched in both-sides-ism. "I wanna be able to fly a thin blue line flag" doesn't compare with "I'm LGBTQ and fleeing for my life."

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[-] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

Tbh, I prefer to live in a purple state.

I am in a battleground state, in a pretty rural area, filled with a decent amount diversity, including trump crazies.

I feel I'm doing more good here than living in the city.

I like to get down and dirty, pushing.

(Tbf I am a straight white male, so I can totally see getting out of dodge if that wasn't the case)

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

Important data to understand, there are fewer blue states than red states. These actions allow for Republicans to gain far more power in Government as the states elect the President and Congress. Democrats are essentially giving Republicans full control of the Federal Government which will be used to erode all progressive laws in blue states.

[-] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

I’d care a lot more about that if I didn’t think the right would try to take power either way, by force if chicanery fails. Why sacrifice your family’s life for a pipe dream when you can shore up blue areas in case we need to secede instead? Your life will be better short-term, and the only way it won’t be better long term is if the fascism you’d have had to fight anyway wins.

[-] Desistance@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

The only reason some states are red is due to gerrymandering. Blue voters outnumber red voters by a large margin.

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[-] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

Conservatives are going to make it legal to outright murder progressives, so there's definitely safety in living in a blue state

[-] GiddyGap@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is part of the GOP strategy.

Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri has openly acknowledged that the GOP strategy is to make it so miserable for Democrats in red and purple states that they will move to blue states. That would, in turn, cement Republican power in the White House, Senate and thereby the Supreme Court.

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[-] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 32 points 2 years ago

If I could relocate to a state where my views aren't swamped by the overwhelming redness of the state, I would in an instant, but sadly it's not in the cards until retirement.

[-] BrudderAaron@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Yeah... living in a deep red state goes against every bit of my moral fiber. But I can't leave. I can only sit here, helplessly trying my best to vote for equal rights but then I see people are voting for red no matter what is at stake. The party system is trash and it needs to be gone.

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[-] smoll_pp_operator@vlemmy.net 29 points 2 years ago

Conservative terrorism is out control. It breaks out specifically across racial and socioeconomic lines.

Moderates and liberals are trying to protect themselves, while conservatives are hell-bent on tearing everyone down.

My hope is that these are the death throes of the Republican party. A loud gasp for air before the party croaks and shatters.

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[-] tiny_tina_@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago

No shit. NEVER living in a red state

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

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[-] darthfabulous42069@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

That's a very alarming sign. Polarization of that caliber means we're on a hard Stage 6 on the Ten Stages of Genocide, and everything that follows it is... bad. Very, very bad. You do not want to see what happens at Stage 7 and beyond.

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[-] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

The rich already won the class war that we should have been paying attention to. Instead, we’re bickering about Bud Light and Disney, exactly where they want us poors while they take our money.

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[-] OutrageousUmpire@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

It's such a weird time in the U.S.. Also, it might be a better choice to go to a battleground state.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago

That's what I did. Moved to AZ, which is a purple state, from CA. I joined a writing group here, and one member is an out gay conservative. No way could he have been that outspoken in a casual writing group in CA, he'd have been chased out.

As someone more on the liberal side of things in general, it's incredibly refreshing to be able to hold a good-natured conversation with him involved where he didn't feel worry or concern about discussing his ideas.

We have another lady in the group who writes hardcore far-left poetry, and those are always followed up by great conversations. She's nice and not condescending to the conservative guy.

I love being in a purple state, I wish more states were battleground states.

[-] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

I live in a purple state in a rural area, and I HATE it. Not because there are conservatives, but because massive numbers of these conservatives are trembling with fear of the other and if they think that I am on their "side" for whatever reason, they won't hesitate to say the most ignorant, racist, bigoted shit about "those people" - essentially anyone who isn't straight and white, while demanding prayer of the exclusively evangelical variety in public meetings. Their world view is so insular that it's suffocating to be around.

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[-] BeardedBaker@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

I'm a progressive living in a red state and I would love to leave, but who has the money or connections to just fucking move states? Like who the hell do I know in Washington state? And because the cost of living tends to be higher in blue states, it's impossible to save enough to move to one of those areas from fucking Arkansas.

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