Not sure what happened, but the pro-Russia trolls seem to be out of the woods in the last few days under Ukraine news posts. They must be really desperate to even try their astroturfing on lemmy
oh, how i long to live in a better world
Sad that it comes to this.
Exactly. How is this even a fucking question?
After all the fucking unjust wars initiated and fought, this one time they would just need to write a fucking check. For a war of self-defense, that is as just as it can reasonably be.
It's not even a check, lol. We are giving Ukraine our outdated and obsolete weapons! Shit is gonna rot in a wearhouse anyway and in turn the weapons are being replenished with new stuff BUILT RIGHT IN AMERICA! It's a win win except the Republicans are horrible assholes who are in the pocket of Putin.
Remember, both the DNC and RNC got hacked back in 2016. The Russians have the locations and names of the RNC pedophile rings in DC.
Even where US military aid is brand-new material, the American military contractors are the ones profiting from it, spurring the American economy. It's almost more an economic shot in the arm than it is international aid.
How is this even a fucking question?
Have you ever considered Ukraine could lose?
Russian is fucked. 350k dead or wounded, another million plus able-bodied men fled, the best military shit destroyed, and the oil spigot shut off to Europe.
Only thing holding that country together is the lies.
And those are starting to unravel.
Have you ever considered Ukraine could lose?
It's a yes or no question.
Edit: Since he just downvoted without answering, we can safely assume his answer is 'no.'
He has never considered Ukraine could lose.
Have you considered "who gives a shit" as a response to that question? Each tank destroyed in Ukraine is a tank that won't need to be destroyed in the Baltics, in Poland or Finland.
Trick question. Ukraine has already lost the second Russia invaded. They've lost an entire generation. They could still lose territory but I don't see them ever compromising at this point and Russia would have generations of insurgencies to deal with. Ukraine will eventually gain back their territory, if not within the current conflict.
That's not why the West is supporting them though. They are supporting them because Russia is fighting an aggressive land grab not seen since WWII (or arguably Kuwait but not by a nuclear power) and using the exact same tactics. Every major world institution set up since WWII was to prevent exactly this type of aggression.
So, to answer your leading question, yes Ukraine could still lose the current conflict. They already have and that's why they need the aid so that Russia can be as punished as possible to maintain the current deterrence for any other states that would seek to do the same thing.
Yes.
And this is why I support sending them money. No investment is certain, but "the concept of democracy" is a pretty good one
Silly chitak166, don't you realize anyone who disagrees is a Russian bot.
Yes. And the ramifications of that eventuallity is why it can't happen.
My feed right now lol
Stop sending our money to other countries' wars.
So you want Russia to become more powerful by conquering Ukraine?
This is a US wet dream, we shut down Putin without a single US causality. Not to mention we get field-testing of weapons that have never been deployed on a battlefield.
This is a win, win, win for the US to keep funding Ukraine even outside the fact that we are helping a country fight-back against a maniac dictator.
All they do is make worthless comments like this about Ukraine. I wouldnt bother trying to reason with them.
Shut down....any day now, for going on 3 years.
Ukraine had the lesser army from the start. Only Russian incompetence, and their own good minds, kept them from losing. Investing in the defense of Ukraine is vital for a free Europe. It is a marathon, not a sprint
I can imagine back in 1942 you'd been like "Shut down Hitler....any day now, for going on 3 years"
They're a troll. The answer to your question is yes.
You really don't know how our military industrial complex works, do you?
We are sending very little cash to Ukraine. Most of the money goes to our workers, in our country, to replenish our stockpiles. It would cost magnitudes more to refurbish our own rapidly aging stockpiles, if that can even be done at all. Explosive compounds degrade, and our missiles are even only rated for a certain number of flight hours before they have to be replaced.
Our stockpiles across Europe are a prime example of this. We have warehouses filled with different vehicles that are just sitting around collecting dust. Rubber seals and hoses are degrading and metal is rusting. It needs to get used for what it was built and stored for in the first place: A war with Russia.
Ukraine has a vast supply of resources. Not only do they supply a huge portion of the world with grain, they are sitting on massive natural gas reserves. If you think for a second that we won't benefit from that after this conflict is over, you are very much mistaken. Did you notice how simple instant ramen prices have been increasing lately? That is one tiny window into some of the much more major implications of letting Russia have their way.
Stop screaming that ignorant rhetoric. It's not a good look. It's almost like you were told to parrot that line from a politician or something.
While I am 100% behind US support for Ukraine, I have mixed feelings about Israel. The only thing that country is good for is a strategic position for us in the event of another war in the middle east, which seems to always boil down to oil anyway. I don't want to get into the political bullshit about that conflict, but I am just pointing out it's strategic benefit here.
It would be as easy to support Israel too if they didn't do the indiscriminate bombings and the like
If our money doesn’t go there now, our troops’ lives will continue the fight in the future.
Not to mention many European countries and countless civilian lives. Russia doesn't give a shit about even the thin veneer of conventions.
Any war with Russia is our war, as they've been actively trying to harm democracy across the world, including buying off our major politicians in this country.
So you fell for the "US saves democracy' bullshit too?
What? No, that's literally the opposite of what I said. Our democracy is fundamentally compromised and Russia has played a major role in that.
Sure, Russia with their 1000 facebook posts killed US democracy. Voters did that by allowing capital to take over government.
I'm less worried about their social media activities and more with their active working with and paying off of Republicans to side with them over the past decade. And their working together to push all of the human rights rollbacks that conservatives have been rolling out on the state level in the past few years.
Found Neville Chamberlain's account
Well, it's not going to fucking healthcare
Not questioning your intentions, but that's a false dilemna. Common logical fallacy, often used rhetorical device.
Reality: the US doesn't have to choose between healthcare and military spending. The US spends more on healthcare per capita than any other high income country.
That means the US could spend less on healthcare, spend significantly more on defense, still have better healthcare than you do now AND save money doing so.
It's a bit like brexit. UK politicians found it useful to blame foreign governments and the EU, as it helped distract from domestic corruption and profiteering.
In fact Boris Johnson promised the UK £350 million a week for the healthcare system in the run-up to the brexit referendum, pushing a similar false dilemna. UK voters were told that they had to choose between EU membership or funding their healthcare system. Of couse, after brexit voters ended up with neither. It was a lie.
Surprisingly common rhetoric device. Eg. quite common when discussing the green transition and the economy/jobs. People are told by fossil fuel interest groups that they have to choose between saving the environment or saving the economy/jobs. In reality, the World Economic Forum suggest that the green transition would create millions of jobs, not cost jobs.
I was mocking them but OK
If this war started under a GOP President, shitlibs would oppose it as much as non shitlibs do
What's your proposition? Let Russia take Ukraine?
They never have any propositions, all they can do is spam "america bad" while masturbating to Stalin or something
I'm still having a laugh about how there still is a republican party after a republican president allowed the worst terrorist attack on American soil.
But please continue buying our weapons since we are the biggest weapons exporter on the planet.
Should bring him for lunch at the Hungarian embassy so they can explain to his face why exactly they're stabbing him in the back by strategizing with republicans on how to stop the aid.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
US President Joe Biden has invited his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskiy to the White House, days after his administration warned it would run out of money for Ukraine aid in weeks unless feuding US lawmakers act.
The meeting on Tuesday is intended “to underscore the United States’ unshakeable commitment to supporting the people of Ukraine as they defend themselves against Russia’s brutal invasion,” the White House said in a statement Sunday.
Republican senators last week blocked $106bn in emergency aid primarily for Ukraine and Israel after conservatives balked at the exclusion of immigration reforms they had demanded as part of the package.
The stakes are especially high for Ukraine, secretary of state Antony Blinken said during two television interviews Sunday, given that “we are running out of funding” for the Ukrainians.
Republican senator Mitt Romney said there was bipartisan agreement that something has to be done to address record numbers of migrants crossing into the US from Mexico.
Republican senator JD Vance said the administration had yet to justify additional aid to Ukraine.
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Why do people think this will have an impact at all?
Republicans vote for and fund these reps specifically to do things like withhold aid to Ukraine.
This is literally just an opportunity for them to appease their base by texting/sleeping while Zelensky is there.
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