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submitted 1 year ago by Gormadt to c/rpgmemes@ttrpg.network

Another player who was at the table during the incident sent me this meme after the problem player in question (they had a history) left the group chat.

Felt like sharing it here because I'm sure more people should keep this kind of thing in mind.

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[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

How did they even come to such a perspective? There are all kinds of physical handicaps in fiction.

Raistlin had a mysterious uncurable ailment imposed by Par-Salian.
Albrech has to forsake love to attain the Rheingold. Several gods and heroes are missing various limbs.

And blindness? Daredevil. Tiresias. Any number of blind kung-fu masters.

Sometimes they're afflictions that are paid as a price for powers, sometimes their curses, sometimes their obstacles that heroes overcome. But disabled people have been all over fantasy literature for millenia.

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[-] rentar42@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Realistically most adventure parties leave many disabled people (and beasts) in their wake...

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago

I think the real problem is that magic in D&D is so mundane that any problem can be "magicked away", be it healing a wound, curing diseases or exploding an enemy. That makes some situations only really plausible when it's explained as some stronger magic or "weird power" interfering with common magic.

It's a magical fantasy setting, I get it, but magic being so common and consequence free makes it a deus ex of whatever flimsy explanation you can imagine. "Why do disabled people exist in typical D&D?" Cue that meme of the cartoon's Dungeon Master "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".

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[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna devil's advocate this for a second.

Unless you're very poor (which is fair in most fantasy settings there's always poor people) magic kinda negates disabilities.

Like is there no spell that can cure these disabilities?

With that said to have that big of an issue with it just makes you an ass

[-] Susaga@ttrpg.network 15 points 1 year ago

Regenerate is a 7th level spell. A cleric would need to be 13th level or higher to use this spell. They are not that common, and they likely have more important things to do.

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[-] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Why would they complain when they could just have the party's healer offer to heal the NPC in exchange for something? That'd be especially great if they were a merchant.

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[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

I really don't understand what's wrong with people not "curing all illness and disability with magic™" in a world where magic exists and is a thing.

See, in most such fantasy settings, magic not only exists but it has an attitude. Sometimes, a conscience, and not a very ethically nice one (if it allows for eg.: necromancy!). Sometimes, magic even is a god (or gods). Even if they aren't, the people who use magic are still ultimately humans (with leafy ears etc but still ultimately humans with costumes, at worst) driven by greed, envy or a weird righteous idea of how should a woman dress and behave when in public.

Would you trust some rando nutjob, who claims to speak for Evelok the Eternal Coffee Mug of Satisfaction, to up and magically conjure you new eyes, new arms, whatever? To alter your body to such a fundamental level? Normal people in such settings are already afraid to death of werewolves and those are quite normal things. Compare: even in our magicless, relatively normal world, we have the power and the money to cure most illness and to treat disabled people adequately yet Obamacare is not universal and we can not trust that the people who give people implants and prosthetics haven't backdoored them to force those disabled people into corporate servitude.

Your player party may be the goodest bois, but they're only one. The various guilds and churches around quite likely aren't such goodies on aggregate either, or else there would simply be no plot.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are deaf people in the real world with treatable deafness that opt not to because they don't view their deafness as a disability. In addition, not all neurodivergent folks view their conditions as disabilities and wouldn't change even if there was a "cure" for it.

So, I don't see how disabilities in a fantasy setting would be different. It's not even necessarily about trusting the cure, many times it's about how folks view the condition and themselves.

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[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

The thing I find difficult about disability in a TTRPG is that it's something that is either ignorable due to the character backstory (e.g. they have some mcguffin/ability that allows them to operate without difficulty); or it's going to be a repetitive complication that the party has to constantly work around (e.g. the barbarian carries the wheelchair up every set of stairs they encounter).

If it's just flavour, then it seems like less of a disability than a backstory. If it's a constant hassle, then it changes the nature of the game - it becomes more about a party helping each other through individual adversities. The latter sounds fine, but I'm not sure how I'd run it.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

I feel like a lot of the time the best way to handle it would be similar to how the character of Toph is presented in the show Avatar: The Last Airbender. She's blind, but has incredibly good seismic sense through her feet. So most of the time, she can "see" just fine. However, it's still a disability, and there are times where it comes up.

If her feet are injured she can't use them to see. If she's on sand her "vision" will be very blurry and imprecise. If she's flying she becomes completely blind. And she can't read anything written on paper.

The disability is a part of her identity, and it absolutely still matters. But it's not so heavily crippling that it's coming up all the time at the table.

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[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I don't doubt their existence but the wheel chair doesn't look like fantasy.

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[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I've always wanted to have a DND character that's an armless monk and all they do is kick bad guys to death.

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[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Fantasy and sci-fi are designed as alternate realities to this world and usually disabilities are expressed through metaphor rather than literal real world disability. A person can’t use magic so they become the worlds greatest artificer and the like.

I’m all for representation, but what is fantasy without being able to fantasize about not having a disability?

Conversely, why would a person want to fantasize about having a disability? I’m not saying there aren’t valid reasons, but I would imagine most people would be doing it in a performative manner.

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

In Pathfinder there is a whole subset of assistive items so that all gamers can feel welcome at the table.

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