LOL “don’t let ur boss win!”
I really hope that Ukraine doesn't lose their support. If America has to choose between supporting Ukraine in defending themselves from a Russian invasion, and supporting Israel's obvious goal of carrying out a genocide, it seems like a no brainer to me...
The problem is for the American government the answer is also a no brainer, but they don't agree with you on the specifics of that no brainer. Israel will always get what it asks for because its a de facto US army base. Look at how the rest of the MIC hamstrings the budget, fails audits, then gets budget increases.
You're probably right. I just wish we didn't live in a world where innocent human lives are often considered the cost of doing business.
Many of the evils of buisness are hidden in what economists would call 'externalities'. Which in essence are consequences that you don't have to pay for. Human cost has been factored in from the begining and named such that it sounds 'external' to the system when really it's part and parcel of it. Something like most of the forbes 500 would not be profitable if they were liable for their own externalities. Buisnesses on every level are subsidized by the taxpayer and the degradation of local resources or environment that should have been for the public.
-- and "stabilizing element" in the middle east. Israel gets a lot of leeway because they've proven they have a capable military, intelligence agency, etc. And they're not at all squeamish about using them.
Just curious, where does the 'genocide' come from regarding Israel? The stuff I've read usually points a very different picture.
To those down voting this person, I really don't think its called for here. There's nothing to suggest they're some troll trying to spread misinformation. The details of this conflict have been kept intentionally vague; coming to a different conclusion doesn't necessarily imply bad intentions.
Try to remember the down vote isn't a 'fuck you' button. Let's not be like reddit.
A critical analysis of past Israeli positions and current actions, basically. In brief, Israel refuses any solution that lets the people of Palestine stay, they can't leave because they have nowhere to go, and Israel's military policy is that it's okay to kill them. The easiest path forward for Israel is genocide, and its current actions are congruent with that. (E.g. directing civilians to a place of refuge, and then bombing it.)
Remember, even Germany's Third Reich didn't set out to perpetrate a genocide, but circumstances drove them to it.
Remember, even Germany’s Third Reich didn’t set out to perpetrate a genocide, but circumstances drove them to it.
Whaaaa? Mein Kampf was written in 1925. Genocide was planned from before Nazis were even in power.
No circumstances drove them to it.
I chose those words carefully, and said Third Reich, not Hitler. Even the moniker "the final solution" comes from "the final solution to the Jewish question," which implies that it had tried other solutions previously. The Nazis wanted Jews out of Germany, and as such had done things like encourage Jewish emigration to Palestine before the war. Then they escalated to pogroms and work camps, and before deciding on a Holocaust because they were ~~losing the war and~~ (edit, in retrospect not the correct interpretation) running low on resources, and that was the most expedient way to clear Jews out of Germany.
It's worth remembering that history, since Israel now seems to be on a similar trajectory with Palestinians.
I think what they meant is that Hitler never dreamt he'd gain enough influence to actually make his vision a reality. He thought he may be able to integrate more land into Germany, for instance, but carrying out a genocide in practice is far more complicated than wishing for a genocide in theory.
Circumstances such as German outrage over the treaty of Versailles, the power vacuum surrounding the failing health (and eventual death) of Hindenburg, and unlikely alliances with players such as Japan and the Soviet Union, lent themselves to Hitler pursuing his actual goal of genocide.
That being said, I'm basing all of this on some episodes of Real Dictators I listened to this week, so take my points with a grain of salt.
I'm not a war correspondent or anything, so my opinion is based exclusively on reading accounts of the conflict which I consider to be reputable. That said, when you compare the death toll on either side of the conflict -- 17,000 dead Palestinians so far, as compared to the 1,200 Israelis killed during Hamas' Oct 7 incursion -- its easy to see why so many experts have concluded that Israel's intentions go far beyond retaliation against Hamas alone.
And that's without even mentioning Israels controversial approach to military targets, the lies they've been caught in throughout the conflict, and so on.
The bombing of innocent civilians in Gaza in order to destroy Hamas is the genocide being referred too. For Israel, it seems killing innocent civilians is a bonus. Israel's allies, including the US, are starting to get irritated with the fact that Israel is basically completely disregard for civilian life in Gaza. Israel's response is basically, we need to kill off Hamas because they want genocide of Israel (not certain of the specifics of Hamas' goals, but I would definitely that they are generally terrorist group that has control of Gaza, and do want to see Israel fall) so killing civilians is collateral damage. The issue though is that Israel has helped prop up Hamas to keep as an enemy that they think they can control, and use the existence of that enemy as a reason to continue to push out Palestinians from their land. This continued harassment of Palestinians pushes them to join Hamas, and drives Hamas' actions. This is also partly why Israelis are angry at Netanyahu(?) and his administration, he claimed the power is was scooping up domestically, and using it to exert control on Palestinian land, would keep Israel safe. Instead, they've had the biggest attack ever with many Israelis dead.
He’s pleading with traitors to not be traitors, I don’t see it happening
What a fucking disgraceful and monstrous bunch. This is a scourge that must be goddamn excised, each one of them.
Where is the military industrial complex when you need them? Come on guys, we know you want the bomb money. Send your lobbyists to threaten Republicans with a lot of ads about how they’re un-Patriotic and anti-American for opposing new war funding.
Maybe they realize there will be more war and profits to make if Putin gets what he wants.
I do wish that the United States would separate support for giving aid for the different countries. They just decided to lump it all together which is disingenuous.
Giving aid to Ukraine is not the same as giving aid to Israel, for one thing Israel super doesn't need it. They're more than capable of carrying out a genocide all on their own thank you very much. Ukraine meanwhile is actually fighting a genuine aggressor.
It's such a shitty moral quandary. We know all the arguments for combining them and they all make sense from a strategic standpoint but you're absolutely right that they are in no way similar.
I really think Biden should do more of this kind of thing - making the public case for support in Ukraine. His admin just doesn't do enough communicating from the bully pulpet and this is just the kind of message that would really benefit from it. That was the best thing Obama did as POTUS: explaining things to the public in an adult way, trusting we'd get it.
The Biden admin should be creating opportunities to distinguish him as the rational adult in the room. Let the GOP do their mudslinging. POTUS should be repeating 'extremely cheap way to fight a long time enemy' 'defeating Russia without American soldiers' blood'. Seriously, administrations during the cold war would salivate at this opportunity to put Russia on its heels.
Not to mention 'averting a larger war' when the GOP is trying to paint him as a warmonger, and 'averting a nuclear crisis' when he needs to show he's got strength even in his 80s.
But the Dems seem to always be too concerned about catering to public opinion instead of using their vast resources to shape it.
Ask the Kurds what it's like to be America's ally.
No friends but the mountains.
@MicroWave I agree with President Biden. To let Putin win is to let the Republicans win. That is one thing that absolutely must not be allowed to happen.
Republicans hold our own government hostage by refusing to pass continuing resolutions and allowing government debt to be paid. You expect them to give a damn about anyone else?
Ah, yes, the prospect of another war with US troops going to a country most Americans couldn't find without google maps is sure to go over well with people.
Why are you lying and spreading Russian propaganda?
I’m guessing he’s a useful idiot.
Where was that sentiment when America was planting military bases all over the world to protect American interests?
What choice is there? An old idiot or a criminal dictator trump.
Biden is old, but I've never heard anyone who's actually worked with him call him an idiot.
Folks don't think for themselves much. "De teevee done called im Sleepy Joe"
imagine what that 44 billion could have bought if spent in America on Americans, instead of in Ukraine for Ukrainians....
We have enough money to do both. This spending comes from resources already appropriated for the defense department, and soft power is not something to undervalue.
Pretty short sighted thinking. You think the global economy will improve if Putin gets his way? He's not exactly a friend to America last I checked.
You could give each American a grand sum of $133. Truly life changing stuff.
5% more annual spending in aircraft carriers and shit?
You realize how expensive it would have been if the US would have fought a war against Russia themselves? Right now, Ukraine is defeating one of the top enemies of the US for the US.
No, they're doing it for themselves. The US is just a beneficiary of their efforts.
Poor choice of words by me, but it was exactly my point. Of course they are fighting for themselves, but the US giving Ukraine weapons is the US fighting Russia without risking any of their own troops. It couldn't get cheaper than this to fight Russia.
If he doesn’t win, they don’t get their bonus.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Biden spoke as the United States planned to announce $175 million in additional Ukraine aid from its dwindling supply of money for Kyiv.
Russia's RIA news agency quoted the Russian ambassador to the United States, Anatoly Antonov, as saying that Biden's comments on a potential U.S.-Russia conflict were "provocative rhetoric unacceptable for a responsible nuclear power".
However, Senate Republicans later on Wednesday blocked Democratic-backed legislation that would have provided billions of dollars in new security assistance for Ukraine and Israel, among other international concerns, saying they wanted to press their point about the importance of tighter border policy.
"We're going to keep making the case that it would be a historic mistake for the United States to walk away from Ukraine at this moment and we believe that argument will ultimately penetrate and prevail," he said.
This means that if Congress does not provide new funds to buy replacement equipment, the U.S., Ukraine and arms makers may have to take other steps to backfill stocks.
House and Senate Republicans are backing renewed construction of a border wall, former President Donald Trump's signature goal, while deeming large numbers of migrants ineligible for asylum and reviving a controversial policy under which asylum seekers are told to remain in Mexico while their immigration case is heard.
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