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[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 146 points 1 year ago

We can criticize Israel, while condemning Hamas terrorists

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago

And we can make aid to Israel contingent on future improvements on the treatment of Palestinians.

[-] LadyAutumn 32 points 1 year ago

(And prosecute the IDF and Israeli state in international Court for crimes against humanity)

[-] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

I like this, we should do this, for sure. Nobody can claim it's unfair.

[-] MuuuaadDib@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago

At this point, I would argue that Israel has done more for Hamas PR and popularity than anything in the last 20 years.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

I was pissed off at Israel when I learned that we can't have a single-payer Health Care Program because we are too busy funding the one Israel has. Learning how they treat Palestinians just puts a seal on the fuck Israel deal.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Israel is a little bigger in area and population than the SF Bay Area. We don't lack single payer health care because we are paying for Israel's. We don't have it because our government is in the pockets of those who benefit from us not having it.

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[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

There is absolutely nothing the US does in regards to foreign policy that comes at the expense of accessible healthcare. The US already spends more per capita than any other country.

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[-] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago

We can also condem israel for creating this entire situation

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[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 year ago

Do you think if Hamas dissappear tomorrow, those who throw garbage will stop?

[-] newDayRocks@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

If the elements of Hamas, namely the promising of death to all Israelites from Palestinians disappeared, then relations would improve and yes the garbage would stop. But it would still be a process that takes time to build trust between the people.

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[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

Ted Kaczynski made a lot of really solid points, but bombing people, especially civilians, is wrong.

People still cheer for Luke Skywalker though.

Humans are more tribalistic than rational. They pick sides and justify later.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

The Death Star was a military installation that had already shown itself to be aggressive with death tolls in the literal billions. Not a fair comparison.

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.social 106 points 1 year ago

this combined with the orders from IDF that under no circumstances were celebrations or signs of joy allowed when prisoners were returned to their families; fucking ghouls.

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[-] Erika2rsis 76 points 1 year ago

Calling Israel's apartheid "modern" to me kind of implies that South Africa's apartheid, whose transitional period ended in 1994, was somehow "ancient" or "old-fashioned"... Yeah, you can rest assured that apartheid/segregation always has been far too modern.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean... It ended. Almost 30 years ago. So it's not happening in the modern day.

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[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

Zionists: "they Made us do it!"

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago

Opposing Israel is not the action of a neo-nazi, it is the action of someone who is disgusted by Nazis.

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[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 1 year ago

Garbage and rocks. Don't forget rocks

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

But I've been informed by a bunch of friendly folks from reddit that throwing rocks is a highly dangerous major criminal offense, trialed by the military, in Israel.

/s

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

I’m starting to think some of these Israelis aren’t the nicest people

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[-] GutsBerserk@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Disgusting. Imagine you are walking around minding your business and a Zionist throws his trash on your head.

Israel treats Palestinians worse than animals.

[-] IceBerg@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Folks please, please go and google "Jewish population of hebron". You are being fed lies and you're eating it all up because you really want to cheer for the underdog.

[-] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 72 points 1 year ago

I found the original source of the photo: It is an article by "The New Yorker" from 2019 that confirms and explains the situation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/a-guided-tour-of-hebron-from-two-sides-of-the-occupation

[...] Hebron, in an area where about thirty thousand Palestinians—a fraction of the number who used to live here—live under direct Israeli military rule, which protects fewer than a thousand Israeli settlers. This part of the city is freely accessible to Israeli citizens and foreigners, but most Palestinians can enter only if they’re residents.

[...]

For a second it felt like we were in a covered market, but this was because the street is fenced in from the top, with a sort of wire net intended to protect the Palestinian traders and their customers from rocks, bottles, and trash thrown by Israeli settlers who live on the street just above. Amro pointed at metal sheeting placed over a section of the net; it is meant to guard against acid that settlers pour down, to destroy the goods sold here.

[...]

In 1997, as part of the Oslo peace process, Israel and the Palestinian Authority drew a line splitting Hebron in two. The area designated as H-1 is controlled by the Palestinian Authority; in H-2, the Palestinian Authority has civil administration over Palestinian residents and the Israeli military controls everything else. H-1 is far larger, and in the past two years its population has roughly doubled, while H-2’s has dwindled because settler violence and I.D.F. restrictions have made life unbearable for Palestinians. But H-2 contains the city’s historic center, its most popular square, and its wholesale, vegetable, spice, and other markets—all of them now hollowed out. The market street through which Amro leads his tour hits a dead end at the border between H-1 and H-2. Here, though, the border is also vertical: the market street is in H-1; the street directly above is in H-2. This is why the protective net and metal sheeting are necessary.

[-] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago

Whoa what the fuck, they’re also pouring acid down on these poor people?? The fuck is wrong with them?!

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[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

I literally googled that and this was the top result.

"Hebron is home to approximately 200,000 Palestinians, as well as 700 or so Jewish settlers. However, 20 percent of the city is under direct Israeli control, and Palestinians living in it, or passing through it, are subjected to checkpoints and a ban from travelling on several main streets, unlike the Jewish settlers."

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[-] Alteon@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/03/palestinians-hebrons-old-city-build-fence-prevent-settlers-attacks

Article from 2021. Al Monitor is a left center leaning Arabic News paper with High Credibility and High factual reporting. See the following link: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-monitor/

Please provide your counter proof.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

His counter proof is, and I quote from one of his comments from a few days ago: "I'm a Jew living in Israel and currently serving in active duty. I have a house and a family and a pretty good life here".

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