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Polling when there's no election is meaningless.
I would say it’s a very noisy signal but not meaningless. Also, one affects the other: the polling affects when there will be an election. Not now!
I'm of the belief they use polling to help maintain the status quo of only really having 2 partys people want to choose. The polling helps them ensure no 3rd party steps in and starts gaining traction. A lot of people tell me its a waste of a vote if it isnt for the libs or the cons. The absolute reliance and normality of strategic voting is an obvious sign we are due for electoral reform and some new faces in parliament.
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Agreed. Except this might be useful info for the LPC. If Trudeau's trailing PP by 15 points, maybe it's hard to ignore that a new figurehead is needed for them to be competitive in the election. With all the climate change denialism going on, it'd be so disheartening to elect PP 😔
If the Liberals lose the next election, it won't be because of Pierre, it'll be despite Pierre. Like his idol Trump, Bitcoin Millhouse could shoot someone in the face on Sussex road and Conservatives would still vote for him. Liberal voters keep their party in check and will only vote when they do enough good things.
Because liberals are better humans than conservatives?
Not sure I'd go that far, but I'd say Liberals supporters are less sheep-like than Conservative supporters, generally speaking of course.
Funny, because I honestly see no difference, they just sheep on different things, same goes for avid NDP supporters.
There are always sheep, regardless of views. My belief is that Conservatives have 'better' sheep because they rarely ever vote against their own party (even when damaging information comes to light) whereas LPC/NDP share a voter base and often cannibalize each others support.
That's fair.
Wasn't that long ago Chrystia Freeland was supposed to take over the party leadership from Trudeau.
Too bad the old boys' network behind the scenes decided that wasn't good enough and kept JT at the helm ... and now the Libs pay the price for their stupidity.
Lol what?
That was just something pushed by Nat post because she’s an easier opponent
That comment has everything: Drama, conspiracy, betrayal. Best fiction ever.
Cons need validation in polls because they literally aren’t doing anything else.
Where is the option for "They are all pieces of shit that shouldn't be running a country" ?
And if that option wins, a pool of citizens who have marked that they'd be willing to serve a term in government get randomly selected from each riding to fill each seat. You can only serve if you haven't ran federally before.
It's filed under "Useless information that doesn't help anyone".
Remember everyone: POLLS ARE VOTER MANIPULATION. Polls like this demoralize voters, making them think that the election has already been decided. They pulled the same bullshit in Ontario during Ford's second election -- if "Did not vote" was a political party, it would have taken 80+% of seats in the Ontario Legislature. Instead, less than 17% of eligible voters gave him a 66% majority. Total bullshit.
Spread the word.
Or...polls reflect the current state of voter opinion and this should serve as a useful warning to Trudeau and the Liberal Party that they should choose a new leader before the next election. No need to go full conspiracy.
It only reflects opinions from "people who responded to our poll" which is not a demographic representative of voters.
Sure, and there is a reasonable discussion to be had about how pollsters compose panels and use statistical techniques to try, with varying degrees of success, to make those panels more representative of the population. However, simply dismissing all polls as "voter manipulation" is unreasonable.
Choosing a new leader would be suicide for the liberals
If you ever feel stupid remember there are people that support this clown
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Is there something in the water?
Pollievre isn’t trump and he isn’t even the trumpiest politician we’ve had. The conservatives in power will be just as destructive for Canadians as the Libs, as all 3 of our major federal parties are pretty much the same thing. They’re all bought and paid for. We need a true party for the working class in this country.
I’ll end with this: Fuck Trudeau, put him in jail.
Homie wants to defund the CBC so we can get closer to a corporate-owned state. Because we obviously need media to be further dominated by wealth.
Sure, "both sides" or whatever, but let's not downplay just how fucking awful Pollievre is.
All three of our major political parties are neo-libs. There is no “both sides” because only one side is represented in politics in this country.
I shed no tears for the CBC. A single media outlet controlled by whatever political party is currently in power being sold off isn’t anything to cry about. Instead of 99% of our news outlets being corporate-owned, 100% will be. The CBC exists to make money, and has been that way since they started displaying ads next to content already paid for by the Canadian taxpayer.
The CBC is independent of the the party in power, that’s why Harper wanted to get rid of them (and Pierre)
But it’s the only non-biased source we have
A single media outlet controlled by whatever political party is currently in power
I see here you don't understand how the CBC is set up.
If you want to live in the US that badly, all you have to do is head south, y'know.
If you want the CBC to not show ads then your should be in favor of properly funding it instead of wanting to privatize it.
The closest working class party we have at the federal level is the NDP, while the Conservatives are farthest.
If you at all care about the working class you shouldn't ever vote conservative.
The NDP is not for the working class. In 2016 they removed all mentions of the word “socialism” from their party constitution. They saw an opening to go for the throat of the liberals so they can replace them. That’s what they desire. There isn’t an ounce of working-class spirit in the whole party. Most of their members are rent-seeking landlords (they have slightly fewer than the libs or cons) that desire personal profit over fixing Canada for the working class. Fuck the NDP (in its current iteration).
You say all that, while they continue to push for and in many cases successfully push through bills that do help the working class.
You're welcome to your own opinions, but realize that when they aren't actually based on anything they likely aren't true.
You can think this all you want, but they absolutely are the party of the working class. They constantly push for policies that would benefit the working class and most vulnerable people in the country, and advocate for solutions to issues that would actually change the status quo. Their proposal for electoral reform is the best any party has come up with. They've also been the only party showing up to union rallies and picket lines during strikes.
While the Cons and Liberals have been voting together on a lot of bills, the NDP has been fighting against their neolib garbage. They might not be perfect, but your "they're all the same" garbage only makes sure we stay in the hellish austerity cycle we're stuck in.
I'm really disappointed with the NDP. Their abandonment of the socialist platform and their shite environmental record in BC and Alberta were a slap in the face for those who have fought for them over the years.
They're still a better choice than the Liberals or Conservatives, but I don't think they really understand what they've given up by sabotaging their base as they have.
Don’t let facts get in the way of your feelings, pal. Jeez
Jail for doing what exactly? ROFL
Fuck Trudeau people never have a cogent answer for this lol. But they all seem to believe it.
The answer is that their right wing propaganda told them so, and they’re not smart enough to think for themselves… so they repeat it.
As someone who believes that Conservatives are just a more religious and dumber version of the Liberals. I really have no problem with the "fuck Trudeau" slogans but they probably want to spend more time figuring out what the actual solution is.
The whole conservative mantra is just to simplify everything to single individual whether it be a villain or savior.
I’m a commie.
Criticising only works if you have an argument to back you up. When you're just making things up you're just talking shit.
People don't really take "talking shit" seriously, which is why you're getting the reaction you are.
If you have anything substantial to back up anything you're saying, people are generally happy to listen. But the reality is you're regurgitating the same fake points that we've all heard and have been disproven dozens of times.
17 hours later.. no response. Shocked I tell ya.
The current Con party is the Reform party
The current Lib party is the old Con party
Your true working class party is the NDP or Bloc depending on where you live
The conservatives in power will be just as destructive for Canadians as the Libs
Alberta Premier Danielle Smith would like to have a word with you...
Trudeau is the Austin Powers of Canadian politics. Poilievre is like Trump in the sense that he panders to the Freedumb cult and he has no real ideas of his own. He's just against whatever the Libs are for.
I agree with you that we need a viable working class party. The NDP have sometimes been that party, and could be again someday.
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