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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 81 points 1 year ago

When the battery connected:

[-] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

An AAAA cell has 200-350 mohms internal resistance. A 9v battery has 6 of them in series (many of them are literally that, others have their cells as a stack of plastic buckets). The nose ring is a short run of wire, it's idunno a 0.2 ohm heater?

I think the septum is going to get pretty toasty.

https://data.energizer.com/pdfs/e96.pdf

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just tested this (for science!) with a 9V battery and an iron nail of roughly nose-ring diameter. Both the nail and the battery get unpleasantly hot after several seconds. I don't think they'd get hot enough to burn you, though. (Don't take my word, though, please!) I believe the internal resistance of the battery does also increase with the temperature, so it effectively somewhat self regulates itself.

Common nose ring materials like Titanium and Stainless Steel are 4× and 7× more resistant than iron, which means they should dissipate more power than the nail, and thus get hotter. I was calculating something around 3 milliohms for a titanium 16 gauge 10mm wire, and 0.7 milliohms for an iron wire.

Regardless of material, at 1000 milliohms internal resistance, i think the battery itself is doing most of the heat dissipation. (But also over a much bigger surface area!)

[-] Shard@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

How long did you keep the nail on the battery for?

A 9V battery can be used as a foam cutter.

Styrofoam and most art foams melt at about 200°C

https://youtu.be/4Hj9PJstexk?si=_NEMZZU4Yu_CSN0a

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

About 10-20s, I left it on until it didn't seem to be getting much hotter. I also didn't want the battery to overheat and fail catastrophically. I think because the "wire" is such a large gauge, there's not enough current for it to get seriously hot. In a foam cutter, you're passing all that current through a much smaller cross-sectional area.

Edit: just to confirm, I did a little math. A 10cm steel wire with a tenth of the diameter would have a resistance of 5 ohms. That means that instead of 1% of the total heat dissipating in the thick wire, 80% of the heat is dissipating in the wire in foam cutter's case, and there's more total resistance, so more heat dissipation as well.

This is because:

A = π r²

R = ρ × L / A

So resistance is proportional to the material resistivity (ρ), the length (L), and the inverse square of the radius (r⁻²). That is to say, decreasing the radius by a factor of 10 increases resistance by a factor of 100.

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[-] machinaeZER0@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

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[-] lone_faerie 27 points 1 year ago

Well now I want to try this with my septum piercing and find out

[-] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 50 points 1 year ago

Do it with the piercing OUT OF YOUR BODY. You don't want a hot piece of metal that you can't get off of yourself fast enough.

[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

You could put one in a hot dog and shock it if you want to try it without making your nose toasty

[-] Onaltau@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

If you do please let me know what happens lol.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago

Wakey wakey, septum bakey

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 27 points 1 year ago

Would the person feel anything? Presumably the electricity would flow through the metal as path of least resistance?

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 79 points 1 year ago

You don't shock the person.

You heat up the metal until it burns them.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

I used to burn paper with a 9 volt and a paperclip. Good times

[-] toxic_cloud@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

It's a short, the metal would heat up extremely fast and burn.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Yes, it would heat up. It would not be pleasant

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

They prob wouldn't get shocked but the ring and battery will get very hot very quick as there i pretty much no resistance wich means there is a lot of current flowing.

Someone else in the comments claimed to have calculated a resistance of 0.2 ohms.

I=U÷R

9V ÷ 0.2Ω = 45A

45 amps is a lot of current to flow through a nose ring. I don't know how much that is in heat but i'd expect you to get burned from it

[-] XTL@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You won't get more than a few mA out of an alkaline, but heat does build up. (Internal resistance)

A NiMH on the other and can give over 10 amps. They're a seriously risky thing to leave around loose metal bits. Or attached to thin wires.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Definitely won’t get shocked. I’ve run estim through nipple piercings and no shocks

[-] mingistech@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

No, 9v batteries have almost no shock to them. Put one on your tongue or lick your finger and touch the terminals. You’ll feel nothing.

[-] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 39 points 1 year ago

Dry skin is hundreds of thousands of ohms. Even wet skin has pretty good resistance. When you touch a 9v to your tongue, you're starting to mess around with lower resistance flesh, it is definitely not a comfortable thing to do.

The metal ring doesn't do anything to move more electricity into your body, but it soaks every electron the battery can push and turns it into heat. Best I can figure it would amount to a few watts, which would be toasty if you were holding it between your fingers. The septum is a thin piece of flesh, I think it would sauté pretty quickly.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Thank you, I appreciate the explanation. Being fairly physics ignorant I was wondering about that.

[-] Gandarf@startrek.website 30 points 1 year ago

I mean, if you lick a 9v you definitely feel something. It's not painful, but it's not natural or pleasant either.

[-] Swarfega@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Can confirm. Used to lick them as a kid

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

If those are separate pieces of metal embedded in the skin, they will feel something. If it’s just an incomplete ring, it will draw so much current that the battery voltage drops too low to feel anything but the heat.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Another confidently incorrect person

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

Woosh I guess

[-] shani66@lemmy.comfysnug.space 3 points 1 year ago

What? They are clearly just screwing around man.

[-] CodyCannoli@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But it'd probably get really hot

[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Just put a 9volt in your pocket with some change

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

You're doing it wrong. You gotta place a metal sphere close to it connected to a Van de Graaff generator.

[-] AlexJD@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

Cursed welding

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

How many times is this reddit tier meme going to be reposted here??

[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

Until people stop bitching about reposts.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Reddit tier comment.

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