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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 212 points 1 year ago

Doesn't matter what the headlines or the opinion polls say. Vote like democracy depends on it!

[-] qwertilliopasd@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

I voted for that bowl of tapioca once and I'll do it again.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I'll likely vote someone else in the primaries though.

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[-] Why9@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't live in the US so I don't have a horse in this race

But it just seems like half of the people here can't qualify Biden's successes (and why he'd be worth a second voting for again) and the other half are just scared that Trump is on his way back and therefore the Dems need to vote like crazy to keep him out, regardless of how lacklustre his current term was.

I'll say it here: he lost the popular vote with his unequivocal support for Israel. As a self proclaimed Zionist, he chose Israel's genocide of Gaza over Trump's victory and too many voters are going to remember that over whatever he's going to promise (which so far is nothing; his campaign so far is just reminding everyone that the other guy exists).

There's no way Dems win this one, unless Biden cedes to a more worthwhile candidate.

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 101 points 1 year ago

Wake up call for who? Will the Democrats ever wake up and give their base something to vote for, instead of "hey, the other guys's worse, whaddya gonna do?".

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago

What the hell are you talking about???

The dems have absolutely given us things to vote for: infrastructure act, record low unemployment, union support with the pres visiting the picket line for the first time ever, we have the best inflation rate across all of the G7.

Yeah it’s not enough but that’s on the contrarians more than anything else.

The fuck you talking about

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

They're repeating right wing propaganda, that's what's up.

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[-] overzeetop@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Mmmm, no. I heard that Biden and his ultra-centrist party have done nothing to stop deforestation in the Messia region of Mozambique. I'd rather have Trump and vote my conscience than allow globalists like Biden to ruin the Earth.

(just in case... /s)

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[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago

I think they do: https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/

I just think the Dems suck at advertising it. Hell, I think Biden is trying for at least some student debt relief.

[-] docAvid@midwest.social 38 points 1 year ago

You aren't wrong, in a way. I'm nearing fifty and Biden is arguably the most progressive president in my lifetime. The problem is, that says more about the quality of presidents in my lifetime than it does about Biden, and with the climate crisis and encroaching global fascism, we don't have anymore time to wait. The Democrats are doing more, now, because pressure from the left has convinced them that they have to, but the leadership is still dragging their feet in defense of corporate profits as much as they can. The fact that they are doing more doesn't mean it's time to lower the pressure - it means the pressure is working, and we need to dial it up.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

Imagine thinking that Trump is in any way, shape, or form, better for you and your family than Biden.

Conservatives and Republicans: hate working class people, hate people that rent, hate minorities including women, want to privatize every last piece of American society so you'll have to subscribe to your alarm clock and appliances.

[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

It's the illusion the maga crowd clings to. They think the economy was better under Trump and they think that relates to prosperity for them. The truth is that the economy really only indicates how the market is for the wealthy. But they don't see that. Trump, like nearly all GOP, is fully prepared to strip mine this nation of all resources possible, which would me amazing for the economy. 🙄

[-] Lyricism6055@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Trump prints trillions of dollars. Loses election, then blames biden for fixing his mistake.

It's fucked..

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[-] RadButNotAChad@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago

Does anyone not think that?

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 69 points 1 year ago

The people who think fascism could never come here, I guess?

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

The people who think now is the time to make a moral stand by voting 3p

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[-] S_204@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Those people should probably take a look at the Nazi march that went down in Wisconsin yesterday if they think it's not or can't happen in the US.

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[-] themachine@lemm.ee 74 points 1 year ago

Biden could have done what’s best for the country and been a one term president. I’ll still vote for him but not because he’s some amazing leader or anything.

So they did it to themselves if they lose.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

I don't know, I think the situation is more nuisanced. I didn't vote for Biden in the primaries (I did in the general), but I have to admit he's accomplished a lot more than I anticipated he would. At the time I just wanted a president who wasn't a complete train wreck.

I'd be all in if he was younger, but even so, I'm not sure what the best option is. If Biden stepped aside, I'm not sure the Democrats' ability to win in 2024 would go up. Incumbents have an advantage for sure, and there isn't an obvious choice to replace him. The most important thing at this point is that Trump doesn't win. Whatever situation maximizes the chance of him losing is good with me.

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[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

Uh... Haven't we been screaming that Biden is a pretty bad candidate since he took office and begging him to not run for re-election?

This is a surprise to who?

[-] disheveledWallaby@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

I'm starting to think that loosing this election is the dnc's plan.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Even Obama said Biden shouldn't run in 2020, but when it seemed like Bernie Sanders would win, he put in the calls to get other candidates to drop and support Biden, who became the democrats' only hope.

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[-] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 54 points 1 year ago

So sad that after so many failings, they still cannot learn! Do what's right, not what's personally profitable, you scumbags.

Do you want trump? This is how we get trump.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

The "Biden sucks" narrative is a little out of control at the moment. I hope his team pivots to highlight all of his successes around the time Trump is getting tossed in prison. That should hopefully be enough juxtaposition for even the most terminally online idiots in this country to not vote for the meme candidate again.

Part of the problem also is that centrist Dem voters are single issue queens and will refuse to turn out if they don't get their way on certain issues, and a lot of them are drawing lines in the sand over Israel/Palestine right now. In case anybody hasn't be paying attention, let me assure you, Trump will not end the war in the middle east. If anything, he will accelerate it. If you're unhappy about Biden supporting Israel but calling for an end to hostilities, boy are you going to be upset if Trump takes the White House and endorses full-on genocide of Muslims in the west bank and complete Russian supremacy in Ukraine.

[-] Cowbee@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

The centrists are much happier than the leftists with Biden, I've seen more voter apathy among leftists who are tired of voting for center-right candidates while right wing extremists get to vote for fascists that openly support them.

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[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

The article could have, but didn't, make the point that our politics and the rhetoric surrounding it today serve the right by subverting faith in democracy, and by exhausting likely voters' critical faculties:

Yesterday, David Roberts of the energy and politics newsletter Volts noted that a Washington Post article illustrated how right-wing extremism is accomplishing its goal of destroying faith in democracy. Examining how “in a swing Wisconsin county, everyone is tired of politics,” the article revealed how right-wing extremism has sucked up so much media oxygen that people have tuned out, making them unaware that Biden and the Democrats are doing their best to deliver precisely what those in the article claim to want: compromise, access to abortion, affordable health care, and gun safety.

One person interviewed said, “I can’t really speak to anything [Biden] has done because I’ve tuned it out, like a lot of people have. We’re so tired of the us-against-them politics.” Roberts points out that “both sides” are not extremists, but many Americans have no idea that the Democrats are actually trying to govern, including by reaching across the aisle. Roberts notes that the media focus on the right wing enables the right wing to define our politics. That, in turn, serves the radical right by destroying Americans’ faith in our democratic government.

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There's also the tendency for people to assign to the incumbent all of the problems that happen on his watch- at this point, even with material improvements for most people, it's a hard sell to convince people that they're better off when every bit of right-wing media is devoted to telling people they're worse off and the mainstream media just both-sides it like there isn't one party trying mightily to end American democracy.

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[-] ZetaLightning94@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

My question is who are they asking for these poles?

[-] cowfodder@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago

People who are willing to answer a call from an unknown number then answer questions for 15 minutes.

So, basically nobody under the age of about 40.

[-] disheveledWallaby@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

48 and don't even answer known numbers.

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[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Worse: people who answer the call on their land line.

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[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

Maybe their strategy for getting votes could be something better than "the other guy is worse".

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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Ok so it starts with you. Volunteer with your local voting rights groups and get people registered to vote. Work their social media teams. Go to high schools and go register those turning 18. Voting rights groups are well known for this useful work.

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[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

The government would work a lot better if all the old fucks stopped trying to make everything a petty competition with winners and losers.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

So, what are they doing to energize the base?

[-] justhach@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Democrat Base: "Hey, can we... uh... fix... you know..." gestures broadly at fucking everything

Biden: "You got it, champ, unlimited funding for Israel's war effort."

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Man, they intentionally picked the most frail looking photo of Biden they could find, didn't they?

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