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The American Civil Liberties Union said Thursday that the Saucon Valley School District had agreed to pay $200,000 in attorney’s fees and to provide The Satanic Temple and the After School Satan Club it sponsors the same access to school facilities as is provided to other organizations.

The ACLU filed the lawsuit in March after the district rescinded its earlier approval to allow the club to meet following criticism. The After School Satan Club, with the motto “Educatin’ with Satan,” had drawn protests and even a threat in February that prompted closure of district schools for a day and the later arrest of a person in another state.

Saucon Valley school district attorney Mark Fitzgerald told reporters in a statement that the district denies having discriminated against The Satanic Temple, its club or “the approximately four students” who attended its meetings. He said the district’s priorities were education and the safety of students and staff.

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[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 121 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I assume the Satanic Temple is the non-theist one, which doesn't actually believe in Satan, and just uses it to troll religious nutjobs.

It's a pity the Christian right are invariably functionally illiterate, or they would have known to not kick themselves in the dick.

[-] jago@lemmy.ca 108 points 11 months ago

Why would you assume anything? The answer is provided in the article itself. Why can so few people be arsed to read the information provided before leaping to an attempt at pithy commentary?

The group ... views Satan not as a supernatural being but as “a literary figure that represents a metaphorical construct of rejecting tyranny over the human mind and spirit.” The club’s programs, they say, focus on “science, critical thinking, creative arts, and good works for the community.”

(Boldface mine. "science" comes to us from Latin's "scientia": knowledge)

The irony of assuming something instead of learning/confirming it from the information provided, as regards an article about an organization whose stated focus is on knowledge and critical thinking, is disappointing.

[-] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tbf they're using one of the internet's laws to their favour. I forgot the name, so I'll do the same thing and call it Godwin's law: when you want to know something you post an incorrect answer (or in this case not knowing the answer, they basically wrote the right answer) and someone will correct you soon enough.

It's lazy tbh, but it helps in case you don't know how deep the rabbit hole is gonna be and don't have the mental capacity or time to invest in it. This is specially relevant to people who have ADHD or other similar attention disorders.

P.S. I did end up looking up the actual name of the law and it's Cunningham's law, so I corrected myself in this case.

[-] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 10 points 11 months ago

Let's get meta! lol

Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.

Cunningham's Law: The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question, it's to post the wrong answer.

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[-] totallynotaspy@kbin.social 43 points 11 months ago

Correct on The Satanic Temple (TST) being non-theistic. While it did start off as trolling, it has coalesced into a religion of its own (much to the chagrin of the nutty christians here), just without the superstition used to coerce people in abrahamic religions.

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

The idea that people take a troll religion made up to challenge laws seriously is as absurd to me as the laws they challenge, if not more so.

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

Man, I love threads about the TST, because there's always people like you who absolutely shit themselves over any mention of them, and write small novels about how stupid they are.

It's really all very entertaining.

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[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I would say far less absurd than most other religions. Looking at their tenets, its basically how descent society should function anyway.

I - One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II - The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III - One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV - The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V - Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI - People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII - Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

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[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Yeah, protecting people's constitutional rights is just absurd right?

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's absurd this is necessary to accomplish that yes. Like in order to challenge religion you have to make up an opposite religion and go through the motions, that's absolutely absurd.

It's also hilarious how the original Church of Satan and the Satanic Temple have denounced each other's legitimacy as the true representation of Satan. The Church of Satan recognizes a bunch of the "bad" ideas associated with Satan and basically calls the Temple pussies. Then the Temple calls them outdated and irrelevant. It's just like Christian sects but it's more absurd because the Temple was constructed to oppose Christian political influence, the Satanic branding is supposed to be a troll to shock pearl clutching Christians. I actually agree with the Church of Satan because of this, because the Temple's appropriation of Satanic imagery is basically done in jest.

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[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

Fear not my brother or sister or nonbinary friend, for ye too shall one day be touched by His Noodly-appendage. Ramen.

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day, our garlic bread, …and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns. And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R’amen.

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

You can form a community around all kinds of random things.

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

It's great. It calls out their hypocrisy.

It's too much brain cells because all they can think about is

Christian == good

Satan == bad

[-] itscozydownhere@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

They’re both non-theist though

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That's the Church of Satan, the Satanic Temple and them deny the legitimacy of each other. The Church of Satan accepts all of Satan's supposed ideology even the "bad" things, and the Satanic Temple was basically constructed as a "good" alternative/challenge to Christian political influence from a logical positivist perspective with individualism and neoliberal ideology commodified and branded with Satanic iconography. It's all pretty stupid IMO, aside from the way they can mount legal challenges. The fact they need to exist to do this is absurd but it is what it is I guess.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Whatever happened to the satanic popular front?

[-] ilovecheese@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago

He's over there.

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[-] oDDmON@lemmy.world 113 points 11 months ago

Four students and Satan, facing down the ISD. You GO guys!

[-] norbert@kbin.social 76 points 11 months ago

This is what patriotism looks like. These are the heros fighting for freedom.

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago

After going back on its word, insulting a minority of students, and paying at least $200,000, they'll now allow the program! Fucking geniuses there in Saucon Valley administration.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

The Saucon Valley administration thanks the taxpayers for their generous donation to the After School Satan Club.

As it always goes.

[-] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

I guess they can Saucon it, amiright?

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[-] Cheers@sh.itjust.works 65 points 11 months ago

Saucon? Saucon deez nuts.

After School Satan club? ASS club. Nice.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

If you want to teach about God in schools.

Then you have to include all the gods. The old, the new, the spaghetti, the fallen, etc.

[-] June@lemm.ee 45 points 11 months ago

On a completely trivial note: who the hell estimates a number that small? Approximately 4? Just count them, it’s not hard.

[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Jerry doesn't show up on Wednesdays or Fridays and Susan only goes on Wednesday.

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[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago

Add another to the “win” column for TST.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 35 points 11 months ago
[-] satan@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago
[-] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Is it true that hell is full of hot gay demons? 🥺👉👈

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[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 35 points 11 months ago

You can donate to TST, it’s an insane sane choice in a sane insane world.

[-] xenu@kbin.social 33 points 11 months ago

I'm guessing the after school Jesus club didn't draw any objections.

[-] joeyv120@ttrpg.network 45 points 11 months ago

I've been following this story for a while, and no, the school and the surrounding community didn't have a problem with the Christian club. Early on (iirc) the school claimed they denied the Satan club because they handed out fliers in school, against the rules for religious clubs, even though the Christian club did the same thing.

[-] jargoggles@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago

Of course not. In the US, you have the freedom to choose how you worship the One True Religion™.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

There was a "Fellowship of Christian Athletes" when I was in high school. I wasn't an athlete, but as a Jew, I doubt I would have been welcome anyway.

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[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago

Teachable moment for the school district 🤣

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Burning well over $200k will do that. But I'm sure some "mom" that doesn't even have kids in that school district will try something to disrupt the new club

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago

Lmao

Beautiful.

[-] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Common TST W

[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

$200,001. IIRC, $1 in damages.

[-] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

Back in the 60s my best friend started the "organization for atheists" OFA for short. This was in response to the young christians group. They even had a cheer OFA, OFA, OFA goodness sakes!!!

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

lmao the jab with "approximately four" man fuck y'all

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