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[-] tutus@links.hackliberty.org 140 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For me, and as a Scot, we all make mistakes. I get that. If he had paid all £11k himself I wouldn't care.

But charging it as expenses and then refusing to explain it, should be grounds of immediate dismissal. If you're happy to claim it from the public, you need to be transparent when they have questions. Even from the likes of Jackie Baillie and Douglas Ross.

But it shouldn't come to that. Anybody with integrity would apologise and resign for failing to meet the expected standards of the position they hold, and the standards they should hold themselves to. The problem isn't the kids watching your iPad (why they're using official tech for watching football or why you get to use your own tech for government business is another discussion). The problem is the lies, deceit and self entitlement of not having to explain yourself.

Politicians of today, of all flavours, lack integrity, trustworthiness, basic moral standards and self awareness.

The lesson here, again, is actions have consequences.

The SNP started out as a party with good intentions and a passion for a cause (whether you agree with it or not). They have been in power for too long and have taken the power for granted, and become complacent. They now, sadly, have become the pigs in 'Animal Farm'.

[-] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

Brilliantly written. My whole take is much simpler.

This is batshit insane. Nobody should ever be allowed to use byod for government use or use gov tech for personal use at all. It should be a law.

[-] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago
  1. Why is your son streaming on mobile data?
  2. Why does your son have access to government hardware?
  3. Why did you hide it?

Three strikes and you're out. Anybody can make a mistake, but you're way past a simple parenting mistake here.

[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 4 points 11 months ago

The SNP started out as a party with good intentions and a passion for a cause (whether you agree with it or not)

That's questionable. They were originally a reaction to bigger government after WWII. The Scottish big fish didn't like swimming in a bigger pond so they decided to try to get their smaller pond back. That's why Labour ended up dominant in Scotland for so long, the SNP split the Tory vote and ended up gifting Labour nearly all the seats under FPTP.

The SNP 'left' is a relatively new thing, and arose as a reaction to New Labour being utter cunts and the lucky circumstance of the solidly social democratic Sturgeon being a protegee of the much more right-wing but successful opportunist, Salmond.

Now that Sturgeon has gone, the splits are out in the open. But they were always, fundamentally, Tory snouts looking for a trough.

[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 100 points 11 months ago

Fuck mobile operators, this kind of cost should be illegal to exist at all.

[-] rynzcycle@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago

So in the UK every mobile operator has to offer a spend cap. I roam a lot (and pay £10 a month for free roaming to the US and EU) so I set a £10 cap. It took seconds and I will never get a surprise bill. This was beyond careless.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

They should offer a use cap. I don't give a fuck about getting what I pay for, I just have a problem when they refuse to implement a facile safeguard on top of the legislationwhere you can ask to be forcably cutoff or subtract it from next month's "allotment". Jesus

[-] stevehobbes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Because it’s a government device, and account, they may not have that ability. The government could set the cap, I’m sure, but then if you really do need the data and have to call IT….

[-] DarkwinDuck@feddit.de 13 points 11 months ago

MNO here, i would also like our SIM not to have extra roaming cost.

[-] ahriboy@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

All telco companies shouldn't charge more for roaming

[-] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 10 points 11 months ago

Wait, you have roaming costs? Oh yeah one of the Brexit advantages

[-] CoderKat@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

Yeah. A smidge under 4 GB and it's was a five figure cost? That is complete bullshit. We all know the actual costs are miniscule. It's mad price gouging because most people don't need to roam and thus they can can prey on it. It shouldn't be possible to get anywhere close to that kinda bill without multiple explicit approvals where the costs are clearly communicated (I can't tell if they were).

[-] SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

"He failed to properly disclose", that's one way of saying that he bareface lied.

Its OK though he's going to pay some of it himself so that the tax payer only has to cough up £8k.

He should be forced to pay it all and sacked.

[-] RandomUser@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Why wasn't there security on the device? My works devices are password protected and it's a disciplinary offence if I share passwords or give unauthorized access.

If he gave them the login creds, then he should be penalised .

If he logged in and gave the device to non parliamentary staff, he should also be penalised.

He got caught because it cost money, which is the lesser offence. Cyber security should be more robust for ministers than it is for most companies, but seemingly not.

[-] JTheDoc@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

The amount of times I've told clients to change their SIM or not take their work phone abroad only to be ignored like usual, and get called on their return saying "what the hell!?" We notified them, but just like all MSPs (managed service providers) CEOs or important members will just ignore us or criticise our advice. Now he wants to blame his family who shouldn't even have access as you mentioned. If it's his mistake, he allowed it to happen with warning, and he gave this to a family member unsecured, surely he should be held entirely accountable?

Nope. Politicians breaking all the rules we would get sacked for in an instant at work, or even arrested.

Great standards for us lowly law abiding poor folk. An 11k phone bill would kill me; I guess my taxes will pay for his mistake then. I'm so confused how he doesn't feel like he needs to pay that? I can't figure out how in the fucking world what I'd need to say or do or think to avoid being responsible for that?

It's surely simple for him to figure out. Goes to show how warped morals are being protected here.

[-] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wow another parent who doesn't parent what their kids do online. And then blames corpos for it, and even tries to get the UK taxpayer to pay for it. Sure roaming charges are ridiculous, but I don't even really ever travel and I know that.

[-] raptir@lemdro.id 12 points 11 months ago

I mean that's pretty excessive. I'm in the US and I get 5GB of high speed data in Morocco and unlimited throttled, and it's only $25 for another 5GB. 11k for 3.8GB is ridiculous.

[-] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

"...nearly 3.8Gb of data was used on 2 January, at a cost of £8,666."

shut the up fuck what? i would like to see the itemized bill. and the telecomm companies transparency reports.

they are sand bagging this guy hard, for a simple mistake that all parents fumble with, use of tech when rearing kids. should he have let them? probably not but to then Super Saiyan 3 spirit bomb his ass is a little extreme.

[-] TwinTusks@outpost.zeuslink.net 1 points 11 months ago

In China, 1gb cost 1RMB (1/7 USD).

[-] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

The real question is, why is that even possible?

[-] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Ever watched porn while roaming outside of your mobile plan. Shit adds up fast.

[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 16 points 11 months ago

His regret speech was hilarious. He was genuinely crying.

Oh lord how am I going to get away with this 😭

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 16 points 11 months ago

In most developing countries you can buy a SIM card with a decent data plan for a very low price. If you rack up a huge roaming bill in this day and age you're simply an idiot.

[-] ArghZombies@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Or alternatively not taking the mobile operators side - being able to charge £10000 data costs to stream a couple of football matches worth of data shouldn't be allowed.

In what possible way does that price come anywhere close to the costs of the providers in servicing that data?

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's almost like there were no real consequences he would face so he didn't care.

This is what it's like to be rich, entitled and without remorse or consequence for any of your actions. They don't consider the obvious because they consider themselves above it.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 11 months ago

You can do that anywhere. Still, roaming for data shouldn't be a thing, it's a scam. Your internet is just routed through the local telco and there's really no extra cost for that data.

[-] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

In a truly developed country you would not have to do anything, roaming would be free.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah eSIMS are great for this. You can buy them online and run multiple ones on your phone alongside your primary SIM.

The problem is that most Europeans got so used to EU mandated free roaming all over EU in the past decade that they probably forget how hard they will be screwed in someplace like Turkey.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

I did this once on a work trip in the early 2000s where I turned on data roaming to download an important document in a meeting and then forgot to turn it off and it downloaded a system update or something. It was like $7000 or something.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Michael Matheson, Scotland’s embattled health secretary, has apologised “unreservedly” after admitting he failed to properly disclose that his sons had largely run up an £11,000 iPad bill which he had initially charged in full to taxpayers.

In a personal statement to MSPs on Thursday, Matheson said he had referred himself for possible investigation by parliament for breaching its code of conduct, as he fought against mounting calls to resign from opposition leaders.

During first minister’s questions on Thursday, Douglas Ross, the Scottish Conservative leader, called on Matheson to quit, and came as close as parliamentary rules allowed to accuse the health secretary of lying to MSPs.

The scandal erupted last week after it emerged that he had racked up a £10,935 data bill on his parliamentary iPad during a week-long Christmas holiday in Morocco, and refused to explain why.

Matheson told MSPs he had learned from his wife the previous evening – the day the row first blew up – that his sons had used parliamentary data to watch football.

Jackie Baillie, Scottish Labour’s deputy leader, said the saga raised “serious questions” about their judgment, in part because Matheson’s attention had been diverted from tackling NHS Scotland’s numerous crises.


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[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Why are politicans allowed to publicly spend while privately holidaying? God I would love a fucking real holiday like that

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

It's his business phone, not like he expensed his hotel or something.

would you prefer politicians have zero way to be contacted by the outside world for weeks at a time?

[-] tutus@links.hackliberty.org 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's not a phone. It's an iPad. And we don't know who it belongs to.

Business devices for business. Business pay for them. Personal devices for personal stuff. You pay for them.

If you rack up an £11k bill on your business device, and you are expensing it from public funds, you have to justify it to the public. If you rack up an £11k bill on your personal devices nobody cares as its your bill.

It's not rocket science.

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

An iPad most likely associated with his business mobile plan. Companies generally cover the roaming charge for it's employees because it means that employee is reachable if shit hits the fan while they are abroad. Mine does, and it's silly to assume it would be any different for someone holding public office.

The only difference here is he went from a country where roaming is free (or like $1/GB), to a country where it is crazy expensive, racked up a ludicrous bill on his company plan, and then hoped no one would notice

[-] tutus@links.hackliberty.org 4 points 11 months ago

I'm going to go ahead and ignore what you wrote. It's largely incorrect and screams 'I havent read the article'. My answer would be what I wrote previously so I'd be repeating myself

Just as a heads up, we use £ in Scotland. Not $.

[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

using his parliamentary iPad as a data hotspot,

Wow the article says the exact same thing I did, what are the odds

Just as a heads up, we use £ in Scotland. Not $.

Most people can infer fundamental meaning from conversational context, sorry that is lost on you

[-] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

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