Actually, they should be reported. Don't just scroll pass if you see harassment or hate speech.
How exactly do you report them? I tried to report one troll I saw, but couldn’t find the option.
more > report
Ahh, I see! I was trying to report them from their page when I went to block them, like you do on Mastodon, and the option wasn’t there. Thanks!
There's a few things in the works to improve the moderating flow / processes, for now it's just easier to use 'more > report' and hopefully that should be enough for now.
But also, remember not to automatically assume someone with negative reputation is a troll. Given kbin currently doesn't calculate reputation correctly (it counts boosts not upvotes).
I'm putting this as a top level comment, but I mean to be talking here to the people suggesting to report or block, or moderators looking at this and thinking of taking action against trolls.
I’m not sure why anyone cares about karma or points or whatever they are called over here. I don’t ever look at that for other profiles, and only noticed that it even existed when I finally logged into my account on a computer rather than a mobile.
I think to tag on to what you said…I think it’s fair to say that a troll can only be labeled as a troll based on the content and responses they create.
I’ve already seen one troll who’s going hog wild. What’s annoying is, i blocked them, but still got a notification about them when they replied to one of my posts (I couldn’t see the reply on the post itself, but could see it in my notifications). So just be aware that blocking someone doesn’t mean they’re gone.
There's a few tickets floating around regarding the user flow for how blocking users actually works. This is probably one of those untested cases where you've blocked someone but you can see see them when they do X.
The blocking workflow is definitely something that needs some improvements, but I think right now everyone is focused on stability (especially with the influx of new people everyone's expecting)
Hope the moderation gets more aggressive soon, or this place is fuuuucked. There's already like three the_donald magazines.
Opposing political opinions are not trolls. Let's not be like Reddit where "opposite opinion" = bad.
No, but fascists are troll (and worse. Much worse). And yes, trump and his cult are fascists
No, but someone rocking up to a news magazine just to post “Trump won and everyone knows it” with no news article is trolling. Some of these folks are trolls trying to piss people off.
If that's what the people in that magazine want to see they're not being trolled at all. Now if that shit leaks out, then yeah I'm 100% with you.
If they want to see that, they can start their own instance. No one is obligated to host them.
"Can I come over to your house and shit in your hair?" said the pigeon.
"No thank you. I'd rather you do that somewhere else." said the man.
"Censorship! Triggered! Snowflake!" Said the pigeon. Then he shitted in the man's hair anyway.
It’s not what people in that magazine “want to see.” Every post save the troll post linked to a news article, with little to no commentary. Thus the “News” name.
The_Donald was not about political opinions. It was a hate farm that made neofascists out of people who came for the lulz. By all means let's have actual conservatives discuss politics as a counterpoint to more liberal views, but smack the fascists down - because it's the only way to truly have a tolerant society and civil discourse: Intolerance as politics must not be tolerated. If that basic rule is ignored, everything else fails.
See the paradox of intolerance.
I really like this interpretation of the Paradox of Intolerance:
The Paradox of Tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard, but as a social contract.
If someone does not abide by the contract, then they are not covered by it.
In other words: The intolerant are not abiding by the terms of the social contract of mutual tolerance. Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.
That "paradox" is bunk and is only good for justifying censorship.
No, it's good for getting rid of antisocial shit heads who feel like they're entitled to an audience for their toxic or abusive ideas and beliefs.
Because that's exactly what it speaks to.
Now, if you want to argue with Karl, might I recommend getting a PhD in philosophy and starting from there, rather than whining on the internet?
Ah yes, because all opinions are equal and NAMBLA and Nazis need to be given equal weight for their "opposite opinions".
That's not what they said at all.
What they said is that just because you don't agree with the opposite opinion doesn't make the person saying that opinion a troll. They may be a hateful motherfucker, but a hateful motherfucker who is trying to talk in good faith.
They aren't arguing some enlightened centrist "everyones opinions are equal" bullshit. They're just arguing that opposite opinion does not equal automatic troll.
Don't platform fascists. Don't play apologetics for platforming fascists. Don't tolerate people who platform fascists.
Stop treating fascism as a mere difference of opinion.
" Hey you want the humane and equal treatment of all peoples, and I have an opposite opinion that some people should be subservient or eliminated. Woah woah why are you banning me."
It's a painfully American sentiment that was prominent in the civil war. "Hey we just disagree on slavery..."
@drumdonuttea Is it possible to block individual users?
Users can absolutely be blocked, and at least on kbin you can also block instances and magazines as a whole as well
You can block them on kbin, but just be aware that if they reply to you or your post, you’ll still get a notification of it. You won’t be able to see their comment on the page it was posted to you, but it will be sitting in your notifications until you clear all them, since you can’t get rid of individual ones.
And they can also still see your comments after you blocked them, at least in my experience. Blocking people is not too useful right now because of that IMO.
This is why I've generally been trying my best not to engage with the obvious trolls and bigots at all (not even downvote) but instead just block and move on. They don't become aware of me, and I no longer see them. Not perfect yet (the block going both ways would go a big way towards that), but it works ok for now.
Hover over/go to profile, and click the 🚫.
I have zero tolerance for trolls, just block 'em and move on. Life's too short!
I wonder if people are going to abuse downvotes and reports. The downvote is not a disagreement button, and reporting just because you find a comment distasteful is not what it should be for.
That'd require you to not be a hypocrite though. If not for disagreeing, then for what reason did you downvote my comment?
The down vote button is whatever we want it to be.
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