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[-] knobbysideup@lemm.ee 76 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'd love to get money out of politics. Make political advertising illegal. Give candidates a web site to post their resume. That's it. No more tv, radio, magazine, web, or newspaper campaign ads.

This shit is obscene.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A two month campaign season would help. Political donations may only occur between Labor Day and Election Day. No donations, fundraisers, or campaigning may occur before or after those dates.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 20 points 10 months ago

As long as we're making a wishlist, I'll also take a spending max for the main campaign combined with any supporting PAC (i.e. no shell PACs pretending to be regular citizens supporting a candidate on their own dime). No more billionaire bankrolling to simply outspend the average person.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

I would like public funding of elections and a dragon

[-] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

What color dragon do you want?

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

The trouble with a time-limted campaign is that it's a big country, and politics are local. You'd basically hamstring every candidate who does not have a national profile.

Nationally funded campaigns are the best path to getting money out of politics. Money isn't speech, and donations to candidates should be entirely illegal. If anyone wants to run issue ads, that's fine, make your case to the American public and disclose the source of the funds. But endorsing a specific candidate is quid pro quo bribery.

Each state funds its own events, and qualifying candidates get a stipend for travel and lodging. No staff, no speech writers, just the candidates and their ideas. Show up, make your case, move on to the next state. 50 debates would cost a tiny fraction of what we spend now, and it would be our money buying it.

There are a thousand kinks in our electoral process, from balloting to gerrymandering to disenfranchisement, but none of it gets fixed while the process is inherently corrupted by legal bribery.

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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Outlaw fundraising, give every candidate that can get enough signatures $20,000 to run for office, let them compete on ideas, give each candidate the same amount of air time on TV. I think Japan does something like this.

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[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 4 points 10 months ago

The issue I could see with this is that political groups would have a very strong incentive to get around this and would try to push the limits of it. For example, if advertising about specific candidates is made illegal, groups might make ads promoting or attacking certain political positions instead, as a proxy for the candidates. If you make political advertising for anything illegal, even if not mentioning a specific candidate, then it would get even more thorny, because almost anything can be a political issue. For example, some right-wing political group might try to claim that gay marriage is a political issue and that any depiction of it in media is therefore advertising a stance on it, and sue anyone showing such on those grounds to try to silence people they don't like.

Finally, political groups might just buy ads using organizations based outside the country, or use the advertising money instead on hiring people to go on social media and shill for their preferred candidates or positions, having the same effect as advertising without actually running ads.

[-] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 47 points 10 months ago

$10M to get to second place in a winner take all contest? This is the kind of brain we need running the country. /s

[-] neptune@dmv.social 21 points 10 months ago

This is perhaps the first contest where the winner may be in prison and may not be able to legally or politically "win".

[-] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Winner is also 77, unhealthy, and going through a very stressful period of his life. Probably a decent chance of him dying of a heart attack or something.

[-] Rootiest@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Stop. I can only get so erect

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[-] legion02@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

10m at a chance to win by default basically.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 5 points 10 months ago

If someone had this tenacity 8 years ago.... But this time it actually almost makes sense to try to bank on him failing out. But then again, he survives it all, always so

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[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago

The only way any of them still make any sense running is if they assume that Trump is going to be dead or in prison by next year.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Vivek's entire brown-nosing campaign is just a VP audition.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Conservatives in a nutshell

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Stop trying to make Nikki Haley happen. She's not gonna happen.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

She's better than the other chucklefucks on the Republican debate stages.

Would you really rather Trump or DeSantis if it was inevitable that a Republican wins the presidency?

Plus, if she gets the Republican nomination, it's very likely Biden becomes a shoe-in because Trump would either be disqualified or running as an independent (which would really split Republican voters).

[-] tillary@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

If it's inevitable, sure. But it's by far not inevitable. I'd rather take my chances against Trump, because Biden has already shown able to beat him and Trump would rally the democratic base to vote more than if Haley were running. If republicans have realized this, they're smart to swap their focus to a new nominee.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

She will be the VP or front runner depending on if Trump goes to jail.

[-] Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

Repubs won't vote a woman in to the White House. Especially if she's currently trailing DeSantis who has become a joke candidate.

They do not have a legitimate contender outside of Trump. Which is ridiculous considering who the opponent will be.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Trump wants a loyal disruptor who is willing to go on the attack with nonsense. Haley has demonstrated all of those qualities, and she can mollify conservative women who feel icky voting for Trump. She is the best choice for VP out of the candidates still in the race. He's not going to pick Meatball or anyone who has directly criticized him. Every critism she's leveled at the former president has been wrapped in compliments, so he'll smugly claim victory when she joins him at the podium.

And if Trump bows out, is ruled out by the courts, or is otherwise unavailable, his supporters aren't going to back DeSantis or Christie. She wins the bigotry ladder competition with Ramaswamy, and she'll say whatever she needs to say to convince conservatives that she will be their woman in the White House. Trumpers will slide over to her camp and say "see, we're not the misogynists, you are!"

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

In the race to be the next person 40 points behind Trump? 🤔

[-] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

The GOP base is way too racist AND sexist to ever make her the nominee.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

lol. Trump’s her daddy. She just can’t accept it.

[-] donuts@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Imagine spending $10,000,000 of someone else's money to maybe win a distant second place in the Republican Primary against a guy who can only be described as a meatball on stilts.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Imagine donating $10,000,000 to someone to maybe win a distant second place in the Republican Primary against a guy who can only be described as Meatwad on stilts.

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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Meatwad is funny and cute. Trump is neither. If Trump is like any of the ATHF he's Shake.

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[-] books@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

She's the honest to God candidate that could beat Biden.

I don't like her, but she's rational and proven that she's capable.

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I will never vote for her, but the polling agrees with you. She is the strongest in a match up against Biden.

edit: The polls have been pretty consistent that Haley is strongest against Biden. Here is one example. If that still makes you want to push the downvote button, then you have no right to accuse rightwingers of mindless tribalism.

[-] books@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Lol we are getting down voting for speaking the truth.

Fucking people only want to hear/read what they want the narrative to be. Fuck reality.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Capable as a campaigner, but I wouldn't go so far as to call her rational.

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[-] 7112@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I think they are hoping Trump goes to jail and try to push a "moderate". I bet Scott's exit is probably a deal to make him VP if Haley gets the nom.

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[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Nimarata Nikki Randhawa isn't going anywhere. A woman, one off from an immigrant won't even have solid MAGA support, assuming the lead insurrectionist is doing time.

[-] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Imagine using that $10 million to idk, help people?

🤷‍♂️

Nope, lemme stroke my ego and plaster my face on TV and Pop-up ads

[-] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

I think a lot of people lack imagination about what can happen between now and the primaries/general. Trump could be found guilty for numerous crimes. He could go to jail. He could lose his money and properties in that civil trial. He is also an old man that could get dementia, be diagnosed with cancer, or suddenly die of natural causes. If he is suddenly out of the running, being second is very valuable.

“But for most of those events, people will support him anyways!” Maybe. This is all unprecedented. I don’t know where people get their level of certainty from.

[-] timetravelingnoodles@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

You act like they wouldn’t vote for his corpse

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago

That's a lot to pay to try and pick up Tim Scott's 15 supporters and Pence's seven.

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