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[-] atmur@lemmy.world 132 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 41 points 10 months ago

Torx is only good if your screw is non rusting it rounds off too fast with almost any sign of rust.

[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 36 points 10 months ago

Torx kinda requires it be made of a decent alloy, it was developed to handle situations where you really really need torque. Handling more force than anything else was the guiding principle of its design.

Hence you find it in places such as bicycle disc brake rotor mounts.

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[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago

Agreed i strip so, so many philps and hex screws. Although the combination screw has saved my ass, when shit hits the fan and i striped philps. I get bertha THE BAG ASS FLATHEAD

[-] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 10 months ago

had to dremel one of my laptop's (stripped) philip head screws to use a flat head screwdriver on it

it worked, somehow

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[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Hex should be B teir. Pozi should be C, it's very common in the UK for low torque applications. But it looks deceptively similar to Phillips.

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 24 points 10 months ago

Hex could even be A tier except...

  • 10 million metric sizes
  • 10 million imperial sizes
  • heads get full of rust or dirt
  • note that this makes it even harder to tell which damn size they are
  • usually mild steel so they strip, especially when it turns out you're using imperial in metric and vice versa

Too many years of wrenching on old equipment has soured me on all except for the good old fashioned hex bolt (S tier) and Robertson (A tier).

Even slotted beats most of these if the steel is decent, scrape out the rust and whack it with an impact screwdriver. I've turned many torx and hex in particular into slotted over the years.

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

External/male hex aka what big bolts have that you use a wrench for are A tier. I can't really think of a more effective way to transfer large amounts of torque to a bolt or nut. Female hex aka Allens are low C or high D tier. They would rate higher, but they're made in 8.23*10^19 sizes, and the correct one nearly never falls to hand. Add to that the tendency for allen wrenches to be made of low quality extruded hex stock and you've got an excellent recipe for an unpleasant fastening experience.

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I feel like you didn't give enough credit to slotted and combo (& hex but others have said that). Being able to be removed with a quarter or other coin is incredibly useful in applications where access to screwdrivers isn't a given.

[-] jagungal@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Yeah, combo is where it's at in terms of field serviceability. I pretty much always have a flathead on hand, but very rarely have a torx but set, Allen key, or Robertson close at hand if I'm in the field.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

I prefer flat over Philips imo, phillips very easy to strip

[-] meekah@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

any screw is a flathead screw if you have a dremel

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[-] CluckN@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Robertson Square that high up? This list must have a few loose screws.

[-] atmur@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I've used them very rarely, but I've never had one strip unlike everything beneath it so I can't complain.

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 12 points 10 months ago

I'm a technician and keep my 9 most-used screwdriver bits in its handle and all of these are usually fine for most applications... Except the slotted screw! I literally get annoyed every single time I have to use one, it always slips out and it's significantly slower to screw/unscrew anything. Also, I only want to carry one, but if I use one wide enough to minimize slipping, it's usually too thick to fit in the slot! "Screw" you, flathead screws and the $0.0001 you save with each one...

Here's what I use most often (not necessarily in order):

  • big Phillips
  • small Phillips
  • T25 Torx
  • T20 Torx
  • T15 Torx
  • T10 Torx
  • big security hex (hole in the middle)
  • small security hex (hole in the middle)
  • slot flathead
[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago

flat beats Phillips you Philistine! sure it's not self centering but at least you can torque it and it's compatible with improvised tools.

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[-] variants_of_concern@lemmy.one 112 points 10 months ago
[-] atmur@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

This is correct, Torx is easily the best standard. Robertson is an acceptable second.

[-] Salvo@aussie.zone 17 points 10 months ago

Posidriv can bugger off too.

When you look at a Robertson, or a JIS or even a Phillips you just use a JIS or Robertson and you’re fine. If it is posidriv, you must use posidriv and you can’t use posidriv with a conventional Robertson/Phillips/JIS. The only way you can tell the difference is by a teeny-tiny little dot on the screwhead or some extra minuscule fins on the driver. If you do t have your glasses, or aren’t aware, you will damage the screw and your driver.

Hex and Torx are OK for certain things where you don’t want an ignorant pleb to gain access. Security Hex and Security Torx are OK where you don’t want an ignorant pleb in denial of their ignorance to gain access.

All those other drivers, Triwing, Pentalobe, variants of Posidriv are just there to push proprietary applications and should not be used by anyone.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Oh my god don’t get me started on pozidriv. Not only is it actually really spelled like that, it was literally fucking designed to limit the amount of torque applied to the screw. Fuck my life. Whoever decided to put that fucking hateful abomination on a 4 inch self tapping wood screw needs their fucking head examined and no mistake oh my god. Fuck.

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[-] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago

Robertson is top tier too

[-] BlackAura@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

As someone who owned a Jeep in a place where they salt the roads in the winter. Fuck torx.

That being said no other screw head would have been any better, and maybe it was just a cheap torx socket (you could see I had actually twisted the whole head on the tool, before stripping the screw). A hex bolt for that particular application would have been much easier to remove (or snap the head off :p)

[-] Fermion@feddit.nl 10 points 10 months ago

Applications exposed to corosion really should use external drive fasteners.

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[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 84 points 10 months ago

Me out here calling them “plus head” and “minus head” like a neanderthal

[-] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 10 months ago

we call philips "cross" and flathead "slit"

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[-] TonyToniToneOfficial@lemmy.ml 71 points 10 months ago

omg I've found my people, you all have strong opinions on screw driver geometry

[-] nezbyte@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Might I recommend a book on the matter.

One Good Turn: A Natural History of the Screwdriver and the Screw by Witold Rybczynski

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[-] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago

Torx and Robertson are the best.

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[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 60 points 10 months ago

I fucking hate Phillips style so much.

Never tried JIS though, Robertson is where it's at.

[-] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior Torxus Christ?

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 20 points 10 months ago
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[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 22 points 10 months ago

Found the Canadian

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[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

How does a positraction on a Plymouth work? It just does.

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[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 20 points 10 months ago

I'm trying to understand what the top half of each diagram is

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago
[-] dlok@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Why does it look like a clam shell

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

You're seeing the cutouts that bite the screw, and you're reading them as being 3d arcs that extend back. Instead, follow the two vertical lines representing the main shafts downward, and look at the whitespace between the shells as the bits of the cross that poke out, and the "shells" as the grooves in the shaft forming the cross.

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[-] prof@infosec.pub 12 points 10 months ago
[-] grooving@lemmy.studio 14 points 10 months ago

Screw this meme

[-] s_s@lemmy.one 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pozidriv > *

Not only is it self-centering like phillips and JIS (eg the reason they are used in so many line-assembled manufactured goods) but it's has superior contact like a Robertson (square drive) or hex or torx.

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[-] ladicius@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

All that lame stuff. Torx it is.

[-] guylacaptivite@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

Phillips is just common in consumer goods as it's designed to cam out when over torqued by the average joe. Better to have it stripped but tight than a broken head.

Still sucks balls when you know what you are doing though.

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

It's not designed to cam out. It was supposed to be a quicker alternative to slotted. It cammed out a lot, people then claimed it was a feature.

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[-] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 12 points 10 months ago

Torx is superior in every single way.

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[-] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago
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