Isn't this just a basic legal concept?
"In order to claim damages, there must be a breach in the duty of the defendant towards the plaintiff, which results in an injury"
Basically the judge is saying the plaintiff didn't establish the basic foundation of a tort case. He's not saying this isn't wrong, he's saying they didn't present the case in a way that proves it.
It's not enough to say "you shouldn't be doing this"--even if that's true.
the question here is, on it's face does an invasion of privacy constitute an injury? I'd argue that yes, it does. Privacy has inherent value, and that value is lost the moment that private data is exposed. That's the injury that needs to be redressed, regardless of whether or how the exposed data is used after the exposure. There could be additional injury in how the data is used, and that would have to be adjudicated and compensated separately, but losing the assurance that my data can never be used against me because it is only know to me is absolutely an injury in and of itself.
I mean how did I get checks from Google and Facebook for violating privacy then?
The lawyers proved the case
Sure except under this logic there's no injury to someone peering through your windows. After all they didn't do anything else...
Disappointing result but this seems like something for the legislature to fix. Courts aren't always the solution, sometimes you have to just fix the damn law.
But that would mean the politicians would have to actually work instead of photo ops and promises!!!!
America sucks. Seriously. I'm just waiting for another country to bring it to the USA, because it seems inevitable.
People gotta stop putting faith into these ultimately crooked nations.
I mean ok but the fact that your car is spying on you has to break a thousand big tech nda’s
I wonder how long until we get to jailbreak our cars just so those cock suckers can’t spy on us.
Technically you already can. I just hope you have extensive programming knowledge because you're going to have to take an axe to the existing code.
May be able to find and remove whatever it's using as a cellphone antenna.
This is why I keep my 2006 toyota in tip top shape. I will drive that car as long as I possibly can.
I've got a 2007 Kia that I'm planning to drive until I can't fix it anymore
So far that's proving to be a pretty easy given the cost and availability of parts
I'm taking my 2006 Avalon to 300k miles and beyond!
It can't be illegal because you agree to allow them when you purchase the new vehicle. It's all there in the T&C and PP, which no one ever reads. Don't like it? Don't buy new cars. I won't.
Illegal terms in T&C are still illegal regardless of whether you agreed to them or not in the US.
One of these companies needs to be beached to prove damages, I guess.
Time for an old fashioned beach-off
So ask the judge why car companies want to track judges?
Obvious next question: how’s the privacy policy on 3rd party stereo makers like Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine, Jensen, etc.?
Why risk it? Build your own with a raspberry pi and a touchscreen.
This is what I want, but they make it very difficult to build something with parity unless you're willing to sniff CANBUS codes one by one
Got a link to a good project of that type? I've been thinking about this recently.
Should be better since they usually don't have an uplink capability. But be real careful of any model that has Internet for any reason.
Well.. fuck. More reason to not buy newer cars. At least you Americans are lucky. You can drive a dinosaur if it met with regulations. You technically don't have to buy new cars.. ever.
The scary thing? Define "new". This judgment is from a lawsuit in 2014. So any car made in at least the last 9 years is doing this. Maybe newer cars are doing even worse things.
Yep.
Setting aside questions of legality, it seems kind of like it wouldn't encourage someone to purchase their cars.
Not a problem! Jack used car prices up to new cars, prevent public infrastructure and provide benefits for cars, all car manufacturers have similar privacy policies. Combine all three and you have customers that need a car to live, might as well get a new one if decade old ones are the same price or have no stock, and suddenly there isn't much choice.
That only helps when there's viable alternatives. Since pretty much all auto manufacturers do something like this it's not really a distinguishing feature.
And even if it was: how much worse/more expensive would a car need to be for you to not pick it over one that reads your text messages. And then ask the same question not for "you", but for the average consumer. Then be sad ...
Well I am still so happy that I decided specifically to get a newish car that doesn't have a touchscreen or any of this nonsense.
What model did you buy? It is rare to see one these days that doesn't have all this nonsense.
2015 Buick encore. I did remove the fuse for the OnStar satellite nonsense though.
Wait, how are CARS intercepting mobile activities?
When you connect to Bluetooth, it asks your phone to share call, contact and SMS information.
Think like the old horrible headunit text implementation, the ability to scan your contact list from the car, and see your recent calls.
Mozilla tested a bunch. Try a search on the platform and see.
Through android auto and apple car play would be my guess, but i don't know.
Just gotta get someone to hack their system. Then it'll be easy to prove damages
Yet another item on my list of why I'll never buy a modern car.
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