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historical materialism moment (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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Don't forget about the Irish unification of 2024!

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[+] ChicagoTransplant@midwest.social 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] muddi@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Earth and the Federation was communism. Admittedly an idealist version of it, came about because it was voted in by enlightened voters. But even then the Bell Riots showed that it was capitalism that caused conditions to arise in which the oppressed rose up against the failures of capitalism, and finally end it.

Not sure if you specifically meant something about Mao, but at least be aware of this. It's the most basic theory of communism that capitalism fails, turns into barbarism, and the working class have no option but to revolt to resolve the crisis.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Star trek doesn't really have a working class though, they achieved Marx's earlier hypothesised state of the deprecation of manual labor (in the technical sense). Interestingly, most of the philosophy is around how to get to Star Trek, where Star Trek itself is kind of the biggest thought experiment we have for what we would do once we're there.

Marx later evolved to believe only a revolution would destroy capitalism, and that's what Mao focused on, the getting there. Through violence.

Mao took that to heart, and succeeded, despite his best efforts, in ultimately setting the stage for a China that's more capitalist than it's ever been.

That's kind of the magic of star trek. Theres a violent past, a billion deaths, and it isn't a new political system or a different economy that changes everything, it was a newfound hope that things could be better if people were better, and they worked together to make that happen.

I think younger Marx would have loved Star Trek. I'm not sure about older Marx or Mao.

[+] ChicagoTransplant@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] muddi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

The Federation is built on principles that run counter to Maoism in important respects like allowing differences of opinion and anti-authoritarianism.

Do you know what the "mass line" concept by Mao is?

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

you know for a fact that they don't know dick about shit and are proud of it

[-] muddi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Self dunks are so satisfying though!

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

like allowing differences of opinion and anti-authoritarianism

Getting steamrolled by nazis after inviting them to the table under pompous pretenses of "allowing differences of opinion" isn't even a viable starter for a government. The Weimar Republic comes to mind.

The in-setting excuse for why the Federation survived at all, shaky as it was, is that it employs cryptofascists already and gives them unchecked privileges to surveil, harm, and murder on a whim to maintain the status quo: Section 31. You might be a fan.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Do you have any argument to back that up that isn't GOMMUNISM VUVULZULA GORILLION DEAD? morshupls

[-] Flyberius@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Lol. Ok buddy.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

You literally don't know anything about Mao

[-] TC_209@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

The U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 comes across a lost Earth colony during a survey beyond Federation space; a few generations after its establishment, a group of religious zealots take over the operations of the colony, creating a feudal society in which power is held by a select few "holy" families and the vast majority of colonists are little more than slaves. How would Kirk and crew handle this situation?

[-] bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol really ticked off the tankies. Don't tell them starfleet hq is... in America!

edit: sorry, I have been informed tankies' localization actually has star fleet headquartered in... San Fransokyo from Disney's Big Hero Six?

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

the USA is definitely an entity that still exists in star trek

100 percent

have you even watched the show?

[-] Flinch@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

The Star Trek Understander has logged on

[-] TC_209@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Where's the Office of the President of the Federation?

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The Red Alert 3 DLC we were denied.

The Rise of Agamus

[-] agimus@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

This picture is heavily photoshopped. Maybe an AI modified it.

[-] kbal@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago

There is a kind of political power that grows out of the barrel of a gun. That thing must be destroyed.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

Is that someone I should know?

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

I know that one what's the other guy

[-] hallettj@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

It's Mao Zedong. He said, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." He also led China to mass starvation and terrible poverty, so not someone Picard would subscribe to.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Mao Zedong. Chairman Mao. The dude the Beatles sang about when they said you won’t make it with anyone if you carry pictures of him.

OP will now be unable to make it with anyone.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago

"The pen is mightier than the sword."

"But is the pen mightier than photon torpedos?"

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Every capitalist is a nazist, is what you're saying?

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

then where the hell does it come from

also even if (and it's a big if) Ireland does unify next year it won't be through violence

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