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Your Windows 10 PC will soon be 'junk' - users told to resist Microsoft deadline::If you're still using Windows 10 and don't want to upgrade to Windows 11 any time soon you might want to sign a new online petition

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[-] Olap@lemmy.world 207 points 10 months ago

Or just try linux. It's pretty great

[-] yhvr@lemm.ee 87 points 10 months ago

I love Linux. I have it installed on 3 machines, have been using it for over 3 years, and would install it right away if I ever got a new computer.

A couple weeks ago, I was feeling pretty exhausted and just wanted to play a game thru Proton on my laptop. I got it running, but it was unplayable because it was using my integrated GPU instead of my discrete one. I spent the night switching compositors, cables, and drivers, but none of it fixed the issue.

The next day, feeling exhausted from fruitless debugging, I tried to launch another game via Proton that I knew had worked in the past, but it crashed on launch. I spent the whole day going thru the same steps I did the day before, but also consulting ProtonDB and trying software that would force usage of the dgpu.

The next day, I installed Windows 10 to an external hard drive and spent the day debloating it. Drivers got installed automatically, I downloaded both games on Steam, and they just worked. So I guess I now dual-boot Windows just for the games that don't work thru Proton. Loading game worlds and booting up take ~75% longer, but that's to be expected because it's running on a 4 year old HDD connected over a USB cable.

As mentioned earlier, I love Linux a lot, and if all games had native binaries or Proton worked 100% I'd format that god-forsaken hard drive. But when real life has got me down, I don't need Linux to get me down further. I don't like Windows, and I feel incredibly dirty whenever I press F7 on boot to get to Windows. But when my choices are "spend 8 hours on fruitless quest to get >2fps" and "press play button", I'm going to take the path of least resistance.

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 22 points 10 months ago

That's the thing. I love to use Linux for work, but when I don't want to tinker it sometimes sucks for gaming.

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[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

I work in a linux shop.

You couldn't pay me to use Windows for development, sysadmin, backend services, etc.

But on the desktop? Hell no. We maintain a modern debian desktop environment for our users, and it's a pain in the ass. Mediocre UX, mediocre integration of mixed-bag third-party apps, and too many workarounds and gotchas you need to Just Know About. I just don't have the energy.

I use windows at home, and for my underlying work environment - and I just SSH into linux boxes for the actual tappy-tappy stuff.

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[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 152 points 10 months ago

I mean, it won't let me. Windows Update inists my PC doesn't meet the minimum spec, and I'm not inclined to argue with it.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

#GleefulCompliance

[-] teejay@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can use Rufus to install windows 11 and bypass the requirements. It does everything for you -- downloads the latest win 11 service pack, removes the blocking requirements, and you can even tell it to automatically disable all of the telemetry and phoning home. You'll still need a license key when you install, or run it on a machine that was running a valid win 10 install previously. But I'm running win 11 on an 8 year old PC with zero issues.

Here is a good guide that explains in detail.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 10 months ago

True, or I could just not.

[-] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I would like to point out that this is exactly the same difficulty of just installing linux, without freeing you from microserfdom.

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[-] TheBlue22 144 points 10 months ago

Nah fuck you, I'm staying with 10 as long as I can, then I'm switching to linux

[-] moonburster@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago

My PC doesn't hit the requirements for windows 11. Yet it kept asking me to update. Been running Ubuntu ever since

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[-] infreq@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago
[-] maniacal_gaff@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

I just made this exact switch a few months ago, so, yeah, it happens.

[-] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago

And I did it 18 months ago!

(Spoiler: it turned out fine)

[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Almost a year here! Working great! (No, for real, modern desktop Linux experience is surprisingly refined, it's more stable and performant than Windows!)

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 10 months ago

And I never did. I just started with Linux Mint when I got my first laptop.

But I do see the perspective of Windows users, perhaps. I did briefly try using Windows, but it was frustrating. I don't know how to set anything in there. For some reason there's 2 setting apps (control panel and settings), each only being partially usable. My Wi-Fi kept dying, the only solution was replacing the Intel Wi-Fi card for one from Qualcomm. Bluetooth only worked randomly like every 20th restart. Drivers for my 20 year old printer didn't work in either 10 nor 11. Only up to Windows 7.
Painful experience.

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[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Tf do you know about anybody, especially on a FOSS-leaning network?

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[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've been using linux on my secondary machine for a couple of years now and I don't really feel the need to use Windows anymore.
all of my software just works and my workflow is cross-platform (I don't really care about which os I'm using, i can get things done regardless); but as a software developer I'd much rather use linux than spend my time managing like 6 virtual linux/unix-like environments on windows. (wsl, msys2, etc)
All of the games I care about actually work slightly better on linux than on windows. (and a single click away from installing and launching from steam); also Steam Big Picture mode and gamepad support (dualshock 4) is much better on linux than on Windows 10, on windows some features only work over Bluetooth. ~~i use arch btw~~

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 103 points 10 months ago

Fun fact: Linux is so customizable that you can run a modern GUI and software on 46mb of ram and a CPU from 1989. Don't let Microshit tell you to throw out your old PC, it's truly surprising what's possible.

[-] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

Yeah but can it run signed drm in a way that the owner of the computer can't read the keys? Checkmate atheists.

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[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 89 points 10 months ago

Nah, fuck it, I'm switching to Linux.

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[-] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 88 points 10 months ago

Lmao. This article is junk. Yew I'm sure millions of people are going to suddenly dump their PC's because they don't get security updates. Most people don't follow this at all and don't care.

And no, they're not going to magically jump to Linux as much as the Lemmy circlejerk loves to believe. If they know enough about security they probably already have looked into Linux and decided against it.

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[-] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 81 points 10 months ago

As I Linux user I can't wait for the flood of cheap perfectly good hardware from these idiots

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[-] M500@lemmy.ml 60 points 10 months ago

There is no way they don’t offer extended support for Windows 10. Many PCs can’t get to windows 11. Imagine all the malware infected machines that will be out there.

[-] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I worked for a large computer company in the late 90s, early 2000s. When XP came out, they said there would be no site licensing. This meant we had to keep track of license keys for thousands upon thousands of systems, costing millions. This was before KMS or anything.

"Nothing we can do," Microsoft said. "We have no gate key."

Our server farms at the time were 40% Windows NT 4, 55% Sun systems, and 5% Linux. So we said, "okay," and called Red Hat. In a year, our back end was 60% Sun, 35% Linux, and 5% Windows NT. We were already in talks to start switching to Linux workstations for desktops.

"Oh, you mean this gate key," said Microsoft.

Asshats. They lost our server business, but let us use XP with a site license.

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[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 51 points 10 months ago

These people... "please, let me continue being a Microsoft slave!".

Free yourselves and install Linux.

[-] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 75 points 10 months ago

I'm so sick of hearing this and I use Linux on a daily basis

Installing Linux for us nerds is just something we know how to do. Asking a computer "normie" (which is, basically everyone else) to change their operating system is just not happening.

I couldn't imagine trying to step my mum through installing Linux if I stood next to her, and I wouldn't class her as stupid.

I maintain that for Linux to obtain mass adoption it either needs to be preinstalled or make it no different to install than a regular Windows program (which is damn near impossible).

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

That's a shitty response.

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[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 48 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Dude what ad ridden hellscape is that site, ublock pinged 45 ads on that page just on load lol

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[-] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 10 months ago

The day i had ads on my start page i immidiately uninstalled windows. I installed some linux distro its been like three years and ive finally settled on arch. it was hard but fuck ads on the start page and i feel smarter for it

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[-] Bandicoot_Academic@lemmy.one 34 points 10 months ago

Once ALVR becomes even remotly usable on Linux im wiping my windows partition and going full Linux (I'm already using it for everything exept VR)

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[-] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

My machine running Win10 LTSC is getting updates until 2029. I also have machines running Debian. There is no way I am installing the regular version of Win11. Its trash made to pander to greedy shareholders. If they take the garbage out for LTSC, I might run it.

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[-] Mereo@lemmy.ca 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Your PC will soon be be junk if you do not want to try out Linux.

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[-] manualoverride@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Just in case you don’t want to go to the tabloid hell that is the Express Petition Link pirg.org

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[-] the_q@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Sounds like a good time to give Linux a try!

[-] BEDE@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

In line with many folks' suggestions here, I'm ALL for switching to Linux full time after playing around with a few distros... BUT, I use dxo Photolab for photo editing which doesn't run on Linux, yes, even through wine etc.

Also yes, I know the are a bunch of great Foss alternatives. I've tried them all. Nothing touches the results from my current program unfortunately.

I would be stoked if anyone could enlighten me as to how I could get that working.

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[-] plantedworld@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

I often play old games that have compatibility issues with windows 10. Most recently FEAR required a .dll from a site for a stable framerate.

People keep saying "gaming works" on Linux but are they talking about modern games? Do old games "just work?" I have very little free time to fart about with fixing too many issues with an old game. How well does this stuff work?

[-] superminerJG@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Old games are likely to work better, as new games are likely to use new features or behaviour which aren't yet handled properly by Wine/Proton.

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[-] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

Check protondb for reports on whether a specific (steam) game runs.

In my experience, pretty much everything that doesn't have anticheat works. I can't remember the last time a game didn't work fine, from stuff so old it stopped working in Windows Vista to day 1 AAA titles. Even DOS stuff is playable with DOSBox.

Just be aware, Linux is not windows. If you try to use it like windows, you will only experience pain. It's not hard, especially with mainstream distros like Ubuntu or Mint, but you really should invest at least a bit of effort into learning how the system works and how to use it properly.

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[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 10 months ago

That just means more cheap, used hardware available for us Linux users in a couple years.

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