When will the World stop Israel indulging in this Blood thirsty revenge ritual ?
when is the the fucking humanity going to stand up to this rotten world order ?
The world long ago has proven to care very little about actual human beings. The world cares only about politics and power, everything is power struggles no matter the human cost.
Honestly I am sick and disgusted how for example the US is using another conflict for nationalist propaganda, e.g.
Posting on social media Biden wrote: "Today, thanks to American leadership, we secured safe passage for wounded Palestinians and for foreign nationals to exit Gaza.
They reiterate that Israel doesn't have the right to indiscriminately kill civilians, while also vetoing every UN resolution calling for a ceasefire or even a pause to ease the humanitarian situation.
The world is appalled by 1400 victims, but at the same time turning a blind eye at the human toll on the Palestinian side.
By the end of this conflict the number of civilian casualties would be much higher, the number of traumatised kids and people, who have lost relatives, and/or roof over their heads would be even higher and this would have solved absolutely nothing as a new wave of desperate people would be pushed into radicalization and hatred towards their oppressor.
RIP peace and human rights!
The world isn’t turning a blind eye, western powers are. Even then, literally everyone in the UN except the US and Israel voted for a ceasefire.
The current Israeli government seems to be Fascist and historically Fascists aren't exactly known for caring about the lives of "lesser races", refraining from sacrificing even "their own people" "for the greater good" or once they're engaged in politics by violent means to stop unless force by an even more powerful force.
Given that those Fascists have the unwavering support of the US (as well as from countries like France, the UK and Germany), they will likely continue the killings until they achieve what they themselves described as a "Second Nakba"
Engaging groups like Hamas, isis, or other groups that are highly integrated into the civilian population is ugly business. Hamas is not a conventional state actor with military assets on bases or mobilized for action. It’s uncles and sons and brothers in the homes of family.
The carnage in Gaza is horrifying, but Hamas isn’t likely to form lines and face the IDF in honorable field combat.
Removing the threat posed by Hamas will have an absolutely horrific cost in civilian lives. After oct 7, “the world” seems to agree that Israel has some right to remove that threat. Hamas leadership crossed a line, and like all war the cost will primarily be paid by the ordinary people who were unlucky enough to be born in the war zone.
Hamas is an Insurrection Movement against an occupying power and said occupying power killing more Palestinians is just going to give it more popular support and even more combatants, unless the objective of said occupying power is to "solve" the problem by killing all Palestinians.
Even putting the morality of the Occupation aside, the correct military way of going about this would be Counter Insurgency, but that means actually listening to and making the lives of Palestinians better, not making it worse sprinkled with random violence against civilians as the Israeli government has consistently done for 7 decades, so the only other military alternative that stands a chance of success is Genocide (i.e. stop the support for the Insurgency by killing or expelling the entire population).
Israel has been occupying Palestine and killing innocent civilians decades before Hamas was a thing.
Actual Reuters headline:
Hamas says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
OP’s headline :
Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
URL says Gaza, Reuters changed the headline after it was posted.
No editorializing from me. Reuters changed the title after I submitted the post. You can see it cached by Photon here:
I don't see a problem here. I trust their numbers. They have released lists with all the people killed by Israel before and parts of those lists were confirmed by relatives living abroad. "Hamas-run X,Y,Z" is just a cheap way of trying to delegitimize palestinian deaths.
Like the 500 dead in the self inflicted hospital parking lot? Come on.
Hamas is a motivated and non-credible source for details.
Hamas has launched over 35 THOUSAND rockets over the years, which has barely killed 69 people, yet somehow now all of the sudden such a rocket fails and lands on a hospital and HUNDREDS die? Sure, so be it, but why would I even believe the IDF on this one? They haven't even provided any kind of proof. They provided a video which many organizations have debunked as being completely unrelated to the hospital rocket. Hell, even the New York Times debunked that video, and they're definitely west aligned.
Hamas never made that claim.
It was a doctor being interviewed by al-jazeera. Even then it was a mis-translation of what he said that western media just ran with and never fact checked.
Please stop spreading misinformation to serve as a way to delegitimize one side.
There are plenty of REAL facts you can use.
Hamas is literally the elected government of Palestine. They are the authority in Gaza that releases these numbers.
Correction: Hamas is the government body of Gaza, not of all Palestine, which includes the West Bank.
True, but it’s not like that election wasn’t ripe with controversy around its legitimacy. At the very least there was notable voter intimidation being practiced by a militarized group.
Gaza's Hamas-run media office
Its weird seeing both Hamas and non-Hamas government related bodies. Kind of confusing juggling Gaza without Hamas, Gaza with Hamas, and Hamas's militant wing specifically.
It's the third massive bombing of the refugee camp. On of the most densely populated area of Gaza which is the most densely populate area on earth.
Zionist psychopaths are above the law.
I had somebody tell me yesterday that this refugee camp is in fact a city.
As if bombing a city is better.
The sad thing to me is that I don't think either government genuinely cares about the 195 deaths except as political leverage on Hamas's side and 195 fewer problems in Netanyahu's way.
I really struggle to see what leverage Hamas gains by fudging their numbers. It feels like a talking point to reduce the fatality count.
This number, half this number, quarter this number... the political reality is the same. Murmurs of condemnation while the US keeps the money pump going, Israel keeps commiting war crimes, and Palestine shrinks into nothing.
To be honest, I don't really know who to trust at this point. They both have done/are doing horrible things and innocents are suffering. But I 1000% also believe all parties involved would/do lie to serve their ends.
Let's just assume that Israel isn't lying. They're telling us that taking out one Hamas official is worth nearly two hundred innocent lives in collateral damage. Best case scenario, they're still monsters.
What is the alternative?
There doesn't need to be an alternative to killing children, just don't.
But there are two options: kill the terrorist, or don't kill the terrorist. Your choice is to let terrorists win, if they bring enough kids.
That would be exactly my choice. One terrorist is not worth blowing up children over. Wait for a better opportunity that doesn't definitely have collateral damage. A terrorist does not "win" if he lives a bit longer. Nobody is "winning" anything in Gaza anyways right now.
Besides, blowing up children is a win for the terrorists.
Nah, that's just the a false dichotomy that's been used to manipulate public opinion.
This whole thing has to be address via Counter Insurgency methods, but that would mean actually listenning to the Palestinians, let them have enough that they don't want to lose it and not commit random acts of violence and land theft against them, so that the Insurgency Movement which is Hamas has little or no popular support at which point it becomes very easy to find and kill the terrorists.
However Israel has a far right government (I would even say Fascist), so it's all about Strength and thanks in a large extent to the support of the likes of the US (plus countries like France, the UK and Germany) they have the means and the "unwavering support" to be as violent as they feel like, hence their choice of purelly violent, no moral considerations (ultimatelly, genocidal), ways of "solving" the problem.
Nope, never said anything close to that. There are myriad ways to kill a terrorist without sinking to their level.
Name one.
Just go shoot him. What's the matter? Can't do that without losing some soldiers? How many children is a soldier worth?
If you choose to kill a terrorist leader despite them having a bunch of civilians and children around, are you meaningfully different from them?
Lets put it this way, if the Hamas leaders were hidden in a Tel-Aviv hospital filled with Israelis, would the IDF bomb it?
Fuck yeah they would. israel killed at least 122 of their own civilians by just mass firing their tanks into kibbutzes to kill a few Hamas soldiers. They knew there were hostages and still fired at the buildings.
Unless Hamas is literally standing behind Netanyahu that man will kill anyone. He does not care about israeli civilians the same way Putin throws Russians into the meat grinder.
This is a genocide orchestrated by Netanyahu to stay in power. The exact same strat Putin is using in Ukraine.
Fair point.
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