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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago

Isn't it strange how the US has had formidable firearms freedoms for >200 years but mass shootings only became commonplace some ~30 years ago?

Doesn't Canada have better access to mental healthcare?

[-] MinusPi@yiffit.net 10 points 1 year ago

Fully automatic weapons didn't exist back then.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How many fully automatic weapons do you think are used in mass shootings?

The answer is zero. This is the problem. You people want to regulate things you don't understand.

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[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know who needs to hear this but fully automatic weapons (1 trigger press=many bullets until the trigger is released) are not used in mass shootings.

Semi automatic weapons (1 trigger press=1 bullet) are and a majority of guns used in crime and defense belong in this category. I know some people get annoyed because it's seen as nitpicking but even if you are anti gun you need to understand guns enough to make a coherent argument. I recommend having someone you trust take you to a range if you can.

But yeah imagine a group of government officials wanted to regulate cell phones but constantly said tablets like the words are interchangable. Then they start using vague terms like "smart screens" all the time like it means one very particular thing. You see what I mean.

[-] netburnr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Good luck carrying a Maxim Gun into a school to massacre children.

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[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

those other countries still have issues.

They just don’t have easy access to guns. Doesn’t mean the guy with schizophrenia down the street found a compound bow and hasn’t been threatening people and requires 5 police officers each and every time someone calls it in.

It doesn’t mean the guy who set himself on fire the other day was a figment of everyone’s imagination.

It doesn’t mean the guy stabbing people in the neck just outside of one of the main stations because the bible told him to doesn’t exist

Or the other guy wielding a machete outside another one of the stations threatening people with it just didn’t happen.

It doesn’t mean there isn’t domestic violence because of someone’s underlying undiagnosed problems.

please stop downplaying mental illness and violence.

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I don’t think this post is downplaying mental illness. Republicans like to point out mental illness whenever there’s a mass shooting as though that’s the cause.

This post just points out that every place has mental illness, but none of them have the availability of guns that America’s does.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

A man standing outside a station with a machete threatening people has a far, far lower rate of injuries/death than a man with an automatic weapon.

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[-] terry_tibbs@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

As a non American I can't see a simple solution to the problem, guns are already abundant so banning them won't magically make them disappear, attempting to sieze them would probably cause a dark stain (ala Boston massacre) in the countries history and you've got to deal with the fact that the USA only exists because they had the fire power to make it so which is ingrained in a lot of people.

I wish there was a magical solution but I fear its a choice between a slow, turbulent transition or a quick, brutal, bloody change.

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[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

What a terrible take. Can you get mental health care in those other countries, or is there a wait list and a huge bill at the end like in the US?

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

In Canada? Huge wait list unless you want to pay, same as the USA. What's the next excuse then?

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Dunno. Just recently(2 days ago) people without any guns hijacked an airport.

And are there mass shooting in Finland or Ukraine. Besides putin's mob I mean.

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[-] LazyBane@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hear of people getting stabbed like atleast once every two weeks lol.

Gun kill more people at once, which makes bigger headlines, but desperate people are still doing horrible things becuase of a lack of safety nets.

Other than the immediate body count, the only difference is how easy it is to ignore.

Edit: I'm not saying gun control won't stop gun violence. Pretending that the metal health doesn't play a role in why people trapped in a bad situation end up doing drastic things is just wrong.

It just gives those in power an excuse to ignore how societal deficits harm people, and it doesn't really convey a convincing argument for gun control. It comes off as if you think gun control will fix everything, when it just make gun violence exclusively less prevalent.

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