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Terrorist settler kills Palestinian harvesting olives on his land. Terrorist settler: how could Hamas do this?
Where is the Palestinian right to self defence?
But then when the guy's son picks up an AK and takes revenge he is a terrorist
When you don't provide a political solution to a situation, people will resort to non-political solutions.
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If he murders the person who murdered his father he would be a murderer.
If he murders random civilians who were unrelated to the incident, then yes. He is a terrorist.
Terror is terror. There is no excuse for intentionally targeting civilians. It's murder at best, and terrorism at worst.
So according to your logic, the Israelian gunman is a terrorist, because he murdered a random civilian based on racial hatred.
If it was unprovoked (likely, but I'll hold out until more evidence comes to light), and it was a random civilian (sounds likely), and it was based on racial hatred (yeah, that tracks 100%), then yes - this is terrorism. He'll probably only get charged with murder because it was only one person, but that's a failing of legal codes rather than moral ones.
But according to your explanation what happened on 7th of October is also not an act of terrorism because it was provoked by years of ill treatment, human rights violations and targeted killings, source Wikipedia, countless of human rights watch groups, etc. (I am not trying to justify the killings that Hamas did at all. What they did was horrible!)
I am just saying that there are double standards when it comes to violence justifications. So Israel is morally right to kill 5 times more civilians and counting, destroy civilian infrastructure, people's houses, create humanitarian crises, but when Palestine is committing some violence that's terrorism.
Don't you see how cynical all this is, human life is priceless no matter religion, ethnicity, the colour of the skin or the sexual orientation of the person! And we should value this equally and not have double standards.
I will also leave this here: https://www.yesh-din.org/en/category/occupation-policies/
Alright dude keep justifying the genocidal occupation while you sit on your couch typing on your laptop. While your at it go have a fucking pumpkin spice latte, might make it smell better up there.
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If that settler goes to jail for murder as he should in a civilized society then sure, but if it's a lawless society and he doesn't go to jail then what you're saying is irrelevant partisan labeling.
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Your point would hold more weight if this was the only example of such an incident. His father wasn't the first person he knew who was killed by an Israeli soldier...the same group that's kept him behind barbed wire fences his whole life.
I'm not excusing it but you're way oversimplifying it. How could you blame a kid for demonizing all Israelis with all that he's seen? It's not like he's been allowed to mingle with the good citizens of Israel even if they're the majority
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That's exactly why the IDF is functionally a terrorist organization. A terrorist organization that mandates service of citizens no less. Despicable.
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In total, since 2005, only 3% of investigation files opened following ideologically motivated offenses Israelis committed against Palestinians in the West Bank led to convictions.
Let that sink in!
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I thought the scripture was quite clear with that whole "Thou shalt not kill" part...
Ah, but that says not to kill people. It says nothing about killing rats! /s
Seriously, though, that's exactly why we're so capable of committing atrocities: we dehumanize each other until we consider it acceptable to kill. Portraying Jews as rats and subhuman is exactly how the Holocaust happened, and portraying Palestinians as subhuman is exactly how Israel is currently doing what they're doing.
Thou shalt not kill people. They don’t consider Palestinians people.
Nah it's ok god is always on their side. (Any group that does terrorist shit)
Jewish scripture always left room for murder.
This book, popular among the Israeli religious right, shows that their thinking (that segment) is much like Da'esh but for Jews: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torat_Hamelekh
Even Al Qaeda thought that killings at least needed a reason.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
Just a reminder that Palestinians attack wasn't just out of the blue, Israel has been slowly killing and driving them out from their land for as long as they've been there.
The international community consider Israeli settlements to be illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
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Massacring 1400 innocents and kidnapping 200 more never has justification.
There's a difference between justifications and reasons. I'm exhausted seeing people use the fact that atrocities are unjustified to hand wave away the reasons and circumstances that led to those atrocities.
The massacring of innocents isn't justified, but the reason it happened isn't that people magically became evil. The reason is that enduring apartheid oppression pushes people to extremism.
This right here
So many people see you saying "these are the reasons X happened" as you supporting X happening.
Just because you can see the reasons why something happened doesn't mean you support whatever happened.
Which is exactly what the UN rep said and then was banned from Israel. They don't want to ruining the narrative of being prosecuted for "no reason". The UN has said multiple crimes that Israel have done things to fan the flames here.
But don't you know that Israel has the most moral army in the world. They can't be doing anything wrong, right? /a (in case it isn't immediately obvious)
Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel's army is "the most moral army in the world" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUIUVCWyecU
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It's a skill issue. It's takes intelligence to conceptualize an issue or idea without accepting it. Seems many people talking about Israel/Palestine (in terms of everyday people) just aren't bright enough to break it down for themselves.
The whole thing is a legit clusterfuck. Israel has been commiting war crimes against Palestinians for as long as I've been alive, and Palestine's de facto government is a legit terrorist organization who has done some unforgivable things. In the middle you have everyday people suffering for no reason beyond being born in the "wrong" place, and being further radicalized by unconscionable IDF actions. There's no good guy on either side (in terms of those capable of taking action on a collective scale), and that breaks the brains of some. People ignorantly want a cut and dry solution, and a bad side to rail against, much more than they want to actually understand the issue and it's causes.
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Why were the settlers there? Why were they carrying guns there?
They try to defend themselves with "they were throwing rocks at us", but that clearly indicates they were up to something untoward there in the first place.
There was a video yesterday of terror israelis posing threatening and blocking the road to the land of Palestinian olive trees while Palestinians tried to harvest
https://youtu.be/UuMUuqqa7NM?si=m0kSUnEn7lxV5qWy
I guess one of those terror israelis decided it was time to do some more western backed war crimes.
Just read this article and get more infuriated:
*Samaria Regional Council head Yossi Dagan issued a rare video statement on Shabbat describing the incident: “This incident is a simple incident,” he claimed, saying that the settler family involved was “upstanding,” and a father and “son, a combat soldier on weekend leave” were “attacked with rocks by dozens of wild Hamas supporters.”
The son, claimed Dagan, “fired in the air to protect the life of his father and younger brothers… the details are clear and straightforward. A family was attacked and I completely back the on-leave soldier who protected his family.” *
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My personal speculation:
Off duty means he will likely end up in front of a military court and they will ask three things: if he followed military procedure for opening live fire, if he felt there was a non-violent way to resolve the incident, and why he was there in the first place. He'll get reprimanded, potentially sentenced for murder, and possibly discharged. More likely is he'll deny guilt, make some claims and bring family as witnesses. In the end, he might even get away with less than a year in military prison.
Even this is highly unlikely: https://www.yesh-din.org/en/data-sheet-december-2022-law-enforcement-on-israeli-civilians-in-the-west-bank-settler-violence-2005-2022/
The reality is that law enforcement forces are just closing their eyes when there is a crime committed against Palestinians and I can imagine that now the bias would be even higher, so most likely he will get away with this murder.
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The west needs to step in again, ctrl-z the postww2 treaties, and give the land back to palestinians. Israel has squandered its chance and this heaping pile of shit all stems from dickheads trying to make the Bible true.
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Can we all agree the word "settler" can fucking do one here? You don't "settle" already occupied land. You invade it.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
This brings the number of Palestinians reported killed by settlers to seven since Hamas’s bloody incursion into Israel three weeks ago.
Tayseer Mahmoud said his nephew, Bilal Saleh, was working in the grove in the village of Sawiya with his wife and their four children on Saturday when a group of settlers attacked them.
Settler leader Yossi Dagan said in a video posted on the social media p(platform Facebook Saturday that the shooter was accompanied by family members and fired in self-defense after they were “attacked with rocks by dozens of rioting Hamas supporters.”
The deadly shooting took place amid a spike in settler violence since Hamas militants infiltrated Israel on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,400 Israelis and taking over 230 others hostage.
In addition to the killings, Palestinians in the West Bank have reported attacks on people and property, as well as denial of access to their land.
Since the outbreak of the war alone, more than 100 Palestinians, including civilians, have been killed, most during military arrest raids and violent protests in the West Bank.
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