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TLDR: XFCE and Cinnamon devs are ~~begging~~ beginning to work on Wayland support.

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[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 year ago

The "TLDR" is sub heading is completely misleading. Cinnamon devs see they have to move, that's the reason. "Begging to work" on Wayland is not at all what the article says. Before you downvote, read it. Nothing in that article or the link to one dev's blog says anything even remotely like that.

[-] oneiros 59 points 1 year ago

I suspect it's just an autocorrect typo for "beginning to work".

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

I like that... I'll take it. Thank you for putting it that way.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Beginning* yep sorry!

[-] halfempty@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

As a Debian XFCE user, I will gladly switch to Wayland when it is available.

[-] mhz@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Why not just install the Cinnamon desktop when it becomes wayland ready?

[-] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

XFCE wants to be Wayland ready with XFCE 4.20, which should be released near the end of 2024. Cinnamon wants to have Wayland as default by 2026. So, in theory at least, XFCE should be Wayland-ready before Cinnamon.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good. X11 has not been properly maintained and shouldn’t be the default for any distro. (Xorg, whatever.)

[-] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

At least the Mint devs are being realistic on the time span needed for Wayland to have a chance at working for everyone, unlike Fedora, KDE, and Gnome that are jumping the gun.

[-] IverCoder@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

If nobody does that, nobody will be using Wayland to report issues.

[-] BautAufWasEuchAufbaut 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wayland works pretty well, especially on GNOME. It's good they did the jump, X11 poses unacceptable security risks for the current time.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Cinnamon and XFCE are outliers in that they try to be super stable, "complete" desktops, compared to GNOME and KDE that try to be bleeding edge and packed with new and changing features.

Benefits to both, but I can respect why Cinnamon and XFCE have been slow to adopt Wayland (to a fault, many would argue)

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I feel like talk about Wayland being the next big thing, “coming soon” began back when I was using Linux as my daily driver over ten years ago.

It’s still not widely used?

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

It’s the default in most big distros, so it is widely used.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the usual exception is nvidia, a lot of distros fall back to X on nvidia

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[-] SuperIce@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I've been using Wayland for about 8 years at this point. Some people (especially in the Linux world) are just really against change.

[-] YaBoyMax@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a very slow moving project by design for better or for worse. There also hasn't been a ton of developer interest in the DE space in supporting it until the last few years since it would necessarily take resources away from other work, and generally X has been "good enough" until recently. I don't have anything to back this up but I suspect that the increased accessibility of gaming on Linux as well as HRR and HDR displays entering the mainstream had a lot to do with this renewed interest.

[-] mhz@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

"Coming soon" for me started when major DEs started abandoning xorg, not when they adopted wayland.

[-] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Steamdeck's KDE desktop doesn't run Wayland, it's still X11. That being said, Valve has said they want to move to Wayland at some point.

Not sure about their gamescope mode. I know it's a custom compositor but beyond that I've got no idea what the underlying tech powers it.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago

Keep in mind their time line is like 2 years.

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[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago

devs are begging

Do you mean beginning?

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

OP: "did I fucking stutter?!"

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yup! my bad!

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The creators of Linux Mint and the Cinnamon desktop are experimenting with the Wayland protocol – and so is the original developer of Xfce.

Normally, the project's experimental repository, codenamed "Romeo," is private, and code is only opened to the public once it reaches beta test stage.

Cinnamon 6.0, planned for Mint 21.3 this year, will feature experimental Wayland support, but he warns folks not to expect too much at this early stage:

It was the first release that defaulted to the then-new Unity desktop, and at the time, the Reg didn't rate it very highly.

As his new blog reveals, so is Red Hat developer Olivier Fourdan, who has been working on a rootful mode for XWayland.

What is possibly more interesting is that Monsieur Fourdan has a previous claim to fame: he is the original author of the Xfce desktop, which he started building way back in 1996, as he mentions in this 2009 interview.


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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

How did Mint fuck up year-based version numbering? I did a fresh install on a laptop this year and briefly worried project had died.

[-] ayaya@lemdro.id 16 points 1 year ago

It's not actually based on the year. There have been 21 other major releases at various intervals starting with 1.0 in 2006. It just happens to be close to the current year right now.

[-] ideonella@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Wayland has been great on Debian stable after swapping to an AMD graphics card

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I've had good experiences with Wayland on nVidia too. KDE has a rock solid Wayland implementation.

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