(does not reflect my opinion, just thought it looked funny)
Less hostile when in context.
Taken from a YouTube channel called Not Just Bikes.
Cars are already subject to noise restrictions. So effectively loud cars are banned. There is just little enforcement for most of it.
Let's refocus the police funds of shooting or falsely arresting POC, and instead ticketing and enforcing the loud car situation.
Who needs cops? I believe CA passed a bill to trial automatic enforcement of this issue last year. Detects excessive noise and photographs the license plates just like speed cameras.
I’m waiting to see where they will trial it. I haven’t heard anything recently.
I'll say that so much of this is unnecessary or even BS. Ban loud cars because they're annoying, that's all that is necessary. Set a decibel limit and if you exceed it then you can be fined. Set time limits like when most people are sleeping so you can have loud cars at some more reasonable times and ban them when people aren't expecting stupidly loud noises.
Most cities already have noise ordinances. But as usual owning a car gives you situational immunity to the law.
They are not enforced.
This was the line of thought I had as well, it should be so easy to stop this problem as it stands
Fine the manufacturer for each incident with each vehicle and make them recall and fix every one to stop it. Unless it's the result of someone modifying their own vehicle, then you seize the vehicle and suspend their license.
People modify their vehicles to be loud.
Ok well regardless of surrounding habitats; it’s a driving hazard. Loud cars are a hazard on the road if the owner cannot hear those around them. It’s not on the list but it should be front and center when it comes to road safety around others cuz the road is shared.
That doesn't really make a lot of sense either though. Most cars have built in sound proofing and while you can hear other cars, it's rarely a useful sense when driving. If not being able to hear is a significant hazard then why are deaf people allowed to drive?
You guys lump motorcycles in on this, right? There's some biker rally/meetup relatively close by this week/weekend, so I'm busy giving the finger to every asshole that passes with their stupid straight-pipe harleys and dumb shitty radios screaming skynard or AC/DC.
I drive an EV, fwiw. There's literally zero public transportation here, so I'm not on the fuckcars train, sorry.
Fuckcars is not necessarily about not having a car. It's about wanting the conditions in which you're able to get rid of your car.
You can have a car and still want to fuck cars... wait no... and still be fuckcars. I do, and I'm mad I need one at all without losing hours a day.
My town has a “bike week” every few months it feels like, where all the people with their way too damn loud bikes get the privilege of blocking off half the city for a week to.. I don’t even know?? Drink, I guess? Whatever the case, a major road becomes impassable and the entire city gets too loud to have a conversation on the sidewalk. It’s awful, god knows why the city thinks it’s a good idea. Ugh, now l’m annoyed again just thinking about it…
I'd argue fossil motorcycles should be banned before fossil cars. If it's about riding with nothing between you and the ground, an electric MC will do plenty. Otherwise, cars serve the same need.
They’ve both gotta go. The order is not important to me as long as it’s soon.
But what about that one dude who wants to go rrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRR at three in the morning and wake up everyone in a five mile radius?
Or the dude who installed a cheap car alarm himself and it goes off all the time because somebody is gonna steal his 15 year old Civic
Or when these two idiots team up and guy one sets off the alarm of guy two.
And you’ve barely slept in three weeks and you just got the baby to sleep.
As someone who lives near a busy road: lets start with making subwoofers illegal first. Its 100x worse than a roaring engine
How about both? A car with a subwoofer is still a loud car.
Idk about the US but here you can be fined if you cause noise. Like maxing out the subwoofer on a parking lot next to residential areas, being a nuisance. As much as I agree with you, I still found loud exhaust/engine noise worse, just because there's much more of it.
Or just because it's annoying as hell and we have the technology to make silent cars, so there is no valid reason to have noisy cars on public roads.
How about how some luxury cars are so silent, that speakers or exhaust diaphragms are added to make noise.
The reason why someone wants loudness is for their own safety factor such as motorbikes. If cars can’t see them or hear them it is very dangerous. And it helps even less that someone with a car also wants to be loud so they can’t be aware of others on the road.
Loud pipes do not actually save lives. It's been studied. And they absolutely would not have prevented or mitigated my own wreck (sideswiped in traffic), which has led me to an extended hiatus from riding.What did save my life and minimize my injury? Proper safety equipment.
A full-face helmet that was properly tested for regulatory approval is why I didn't receive a TBI or need reconstructive surgery, as I high-sided and slid for a ways on my face, and got hit by my bike as it has more inertia.
An armored jacket with CE level 2 armor is why I suffered a nickel-sized abrasion as my only visible external injury (if it had impact armor covering my abdomen, my internal injuries may have been prevented).
A pair of armored, kevlar-mesh overalls are why I did not have a broken hip or need extra hardware (my hip does inform me when it's cold, however).
A pair of tall, CE certified boots, that were close to needing replacement, are why I sprained, rather than fractured my ankle and why my shin was not fractured. My ankle appears to inform me when precipitation is likely though, so between in and hip, I'm almost a human weather station now :P
And finally, the piece of equipment that I think did the most to save my life are the CE-Cat 2 EN13594/2015 certified gloves, with hard sliders (steel and composite) that I was wearing. Not only did they prevent significant injury that my hands would have suffered, but they allowed me to gain control of my motion, turning my tumble into a slide and steer myself away from traffic that I would have otherwise collided with, very likely causing fatality.
Loud pipes really just annoy the piss out of people around the bike and force pedestrians and those in their homes and businesses to pay attention to said biker. There's better ways to get attention in the community, like volunteer work or developing an impressive skill. Then, take the money that would be going towards loud pipes and spend it on actual, effective safety gear, not that leather vest nonsense.
Fellow Moto guy, I agree with all this and am glad you made it ok.
This is such a lame argument.
You could just beep your horn every time you see another car.
Very similar arguments apply for church bells, too.
In the right column should also have : cannot be aware of others on the road if you can’t hear their regular engines around you.
As somebody who lives in a questionable neighbor, I would personally sacrifice a lot if we could ban vehicles from playing music above personal listening levels while in residential zones. Feeling house-reverberating bass at all hours of the day is way worse than normal car noises.
Eh. Not denying that also cars have cons, but some pros are 1. sometimes the car is the best way/in the shortest time to get somewhere 2. You can carry much more with you if you have a car 3. It can be used as a place to sleep in 4. You can give lifts to people 5. Some work require to have a car (if you need to be in many different places in a day)
I myself don't have a driving license and I hope I never need one. I use public transportation and a bicycle to get around.
Dunno why loudness is a thing though. Reasonable volume should be advised.
On vehicles modified for sporting purposes the silencers no longer work because the propagation of sound is different and therefore db-killers are applied or it is avoided to drive them around the city center or during off hours. Then there are people who purposely remove the silencer just to make noise and this also reduce factory performance, these deserve to have their license withdrawn because they take advantage of the fact that noisy vehicles occasionally exist.
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