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edit because I am getting pushback at Germany being at fault here, here is some context.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/un-experts-urge-germany-halt-criminalisation-and-police-violence-against

During the past months, Palestine solidarity protesters in Berlin have been reportedly subjected to police violence, leaving some injured and requiring medical care. Dozens were reportedly arrested, some for simply chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”. This slogan is widely used by the global Palestine solidarity movement yet has been treated by German authorities as expressing support for Hamas, the experts noted. While some courts upheld fines or bans deeming the slogan as “condoning violence”, other courts recognised it as protected under freedom of expression. Moreover, the experts expressed concern that, during protests marking the two-year anniversary of the 7 October Hamas-led attack and the subsequent genocide in Gaza, arbitrary arrests, detentions, and police violence were reported, including officers punching non-violent activists in the face; while the police in Berlin reportedly imposed a last-minute ban on protests without evidence-based justification.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/western-central-and-south-eastern-europe/germany/report-germany/

In February, Berlin police ordered that speeches and slogans at a Palestinian solidarity demonstration be conveyed in German and English only. When protesters chanted in Hebrew and Arabic at a demonstration on 8 February, the protest was immediately violently dispersed by police.

In March, at a peaceful protest in Berlin, a woman was repeatedly hit in the face and on the head by a police officer. Similar violence by police officers was documented during protests on Nakba Day as well as at the Internationalist Queer Pride event in Berlin in July.

In February, the Christian Democratic Union Party led a parliamentary inquiry into the financing of civil society organizations. The inquiry consisted of 551 questions, aimed at assessing the political neutrality of state-funded organizations, particularly those campaigning against racism and for migrant rights. It thereby put such organizations under general suspicion.

On 20 March, the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled as unlawful the use of pain-compliance holds by the police to remove peaceful climate protesters from a previously dispersed gathering.

In March, the Berlin immigration authorities notified four foreign – EU and US – nationals of the termination of their residency status due to their involvement in student protests in support of Palestinians in 2024. None were convicted of any criminal charges. Leaked correspondence indicated that the Berlin Ministry of the Interior had pressured the immigration authorities to deport the four. All the cases were successfully challenged in preliminary proceedings and the deportations temporarily halted.

In May, following a Nakba commemoration protest, the Berlin Police claimed that an officer had been seriously injured at the hands of demonstrators. This allegation was used by police spokespeople, the mayor and the federal minister of interior to demand new police powers against protesters acting in solidarity with Palestinians. However, an independent investigation later discovered that the police officer had injured himself while beating protesters.

On 26 November the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled that the dissolution of a pro-Palestine conference in 2024 had been unlawful.

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/singular-crime-double-duty-germany-israel-and

A state that grounds its legitimacy in universalizable norms cannot coherently say that the burdens produced by its special responsibility to Jews may simply fall on those who happened to live in the territory where the Jewish homeland was established—a land Jews had long regarded as their ancestral home. To avoid offloading the costs of its own past to others, Germany bears not only general human-rights duties to Palestinians, but also particular duties of non-complicity, protection, and repair toward them.

At this stage, I find these broader implications of the German responsibility toward Israel insufficiently reflected in German politics, and painfully so. But generational changes seem to be in the process of changing German attitudes in this direction.

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[-] majster@lemmy.zip 7 points 22 hours ago

Previously they also expelled some EU citizens that lived in Germany for some years because of their participation at Palestine protests. That is pretty fash

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 2 points 16 hours ago

Didn't these people storm and vandalize a university?

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-us-citizens-face-deportation-from-germany/a-72142014

Apparently they weren't convicted for that.

According to lawyer Gorski, his clients are being accused of "indirectly supporting Hamas and spreading antisemitism."

Expelled for wrongthink essentially.

[-] Lemmynated@lemmy.zip 6 points 22 hours ago

Nazi Germany being Nazi Germany.

From the River to the Sea, may Palestine be free. End the coloniser state and return to the land.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

But when Nazi parties in Germany spread antisemitism it‘s happy little accidents, eh? Blind on the right eye as usual.

[-] lemmysmash@piefed.social 40 points 2 days ago

Authorities also say the association denied ‘Israel’s’ right to exist and publicly endorsed the events of October 7.

If confirmed, these seem like pretty valid reasons for a ban to me.

[-] distal@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You are a brainwashed German. A German could deny Poland's right to exist without getting charged with a crime. Why this double-standard for Israel, a state very openly committing genocide? The majority of the world is condemning the genocide and all you can talk about is limiting speech for what are practically splinter organisations of splinter organisations in terms of relevance. 🤦

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 points 8 hours ago

It's so fucking telling that you conveniently missed the second part of the quoted sentence.

Hey, murdering civilians is bad, ok?

[-] distal@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Hey, the organisation was not celebrating Oct. 7. The ruling makes it look like it the organisation welcomed Oct. 7. Newsflash! They didn't. Courts can make false decisions and you can go fuck yourself.

I encourage everyone reading this to watch the recent Professor Dave video on the Palestine issue, it's really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvDvhLkb9ms

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 points 6 hours ago

Right I will believe some random internet person, from the tankie instance, rather than the result of investigations and the courts lmao.

Also talking about being brainwashed while being on the tankie instance is just peak comedy.

[-] distal@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Also, by your logic Israel IS committing genocide and should be stopped! Going by the UN's ruling, but Ultradeutsche like you will be exceedingly selective in their argument. You will probably say that that ruling is false under some bullshit pretenses. Rules for thee, but not for me

[-] distal@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You are committing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority in its purest form. Personally, I think your hasbara takes are laughable. They will one day be seen as being equivalent to defending the Nazis.

I can't also stress enough that I am not an ML, don't go around assuming shit about people.

[-] decolo@piefed.social 15 points 2 days ago

You feel israel has a specific right to exist?

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That‘s the insane part. Because German law seems to be arguing nations have a fundamental right to exists by international law when they actually don‘t. There is no such international law. If there was German reunification would‘ve been impossible because no matter how many people approve of it, East Germany‘s right to exist would have to be respected regardless. That‘s of course not how nations work whatsoever. If people decide to dissolve a state it can be done. The nation has no fundamental right to exists. Not by international law.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

It's a country recognized by the UN that has existed since 1948 full of people that really think of it as a country. So why shouldn't it have a right to exist?

[-] distal@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago

Another propagandised German.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

Because Palestine doesn't seem to have that right, despite already being there long before 1948.

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

It has the same right to exist as Palestine.

[-] Lemmynated@lemmy.zip 6 points 22 hours ago

No it doesn’t, it’s a colonial settler state that invaded Palestine and commits genocide.

[-] decolo@piefed.social 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Should Rhodesia also have a right to exist?

I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think the state has a right to exist. The people living there I will advocate for but states have the same moral weight as a corporation.

I don't even think the USA has a right to exist.

[-] thesdev@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago

Why should Palestine-sympathizers care about international law when Israel and its allies don't feel the need to do the same? (I'm talking about Netanyahu being a war criminal that carpet-bombs cities using American and German weapons). Heck I saw a clip of German foreign minister comparing breaking international law to driving above speed limit.

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[-] tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org 10 points 1 day ago

publicly endorsed the events of October 7.

Yes, I've never heard of this group, but if this is true it would be justified.

But we must also say that the account @supersquirrel@lemmy.ca is, in fact, a Chinese propaganda parrot. They are frequently spreading anti-Western content under the pretext of human rights, but frequently denies to even slightly condemn China's atrocities.

This account seeks headlines that makes Europe or the West in general look bad (you can see this in their post history, they appear to be fixated on that).

[-] rimu@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

I'm not seeing that in their post history. They share a wide variety of posts about all kinds of things.

[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Where have I spoken positively about China?

You are trying to erase any nuance between being highly critical of the US, Canada and Europe and being pro-China or functioning somehow as a propaganda mouthpiece for China which I am not... which was the entire point of my comment on your post.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

Always on the wrong side of history

[-] HieroProtagonist@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Well... I would say you are only on the wrong side of history if you lose...

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

...highlighting remarks made by a prominent member who described the 7 October attacks on Israel as a "successful resistance action"
...spread antisemitic positions, denied the right of the State of Israel to exist, and disseminated corresponding propaganda publicly
...calling for [...] the "liberation of all of historical Palestine from Zionist occupation, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea"

So let's correct the headline to:

German state bans "pro-Palestine" group over antisemitism

[-] birdwing 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There is no right of a state to exist, only of a people to exist.

No god, no masters. States are a tool for repression.

The Israeli government is fascist and the German government is complicit in genocide. Speak up! Speak out against the Nakba, against fascism, and for liberation of all people from apartheid, reactionarism, and hatred!

[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It also must be emphasized that saying "Israel has no fundamental right to exist" does not mean that jews living in Israel do not have a right to exist, or live in Israel, what it means is that the theological/ethnic identity of the COUNTRY of Israel that brutally excludes the humanity of others (including christians) living in Israel who aren't jews, has no special right to exist as a political mechanism.

Countries are political constructions, they have no right to exist and they do not represent the identity of the people who live in said countries. People, countries and religion are THREE DISCRETE CONCEPTS.

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[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No one should be supporting terrorism by Hamas against Israeli civilians (from the quote it sounds like that is the position of an individual rather than the group at large), just as no one should be supporting Israeli terrorism against Palestinian civilians.

In terms of the second point, pointing out that Israel is a settler colonial state is anti-Zionist, not antisemitic; the issue of Northern Ireland falls into the same category.

[-] musicalphysics@discuss.online 4 points 23 hours ago

Palestinians have the right to defend themselves against genocide. Would you also say Jews in a ww2 concentration camp that attacked nazi guards are also wrong?

[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 2 points 23 hours ago

Note that I said civilians; there's nothing wrong with targeted operations against IDF soldiers or defending against settler attacks.

[-] musicalphysics@discuss.online 3 points 22 hours ago

Almost everyone in Israel is/was/will be in the IDF. The IDF shoots doctors, paramedics, journalists, unarmed Palestinians, and shoots children in the head. Plus of course the starvation of everyone in Palestine.

[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 4 points 22 hours ago

The IDF murdering Palestinian civilians does not justify the murder of Israeli civilians, even those with relatives in the IDF, just as the reverse is not justified on Israel's part in the context of its retribution for the October 7 attacks.

[-] musicalphysics@discuss.online 1 points 22 hours ago

Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from genocide and a constant barrage of war crimes. It isn’t for me or for you to dictate what form that takes. If Israel hadn’t been the most evil country for decades you might have a point. Plus there is evidence that Israe itself contributed to Israeli deaths. Plus the claim that there was no IDF there doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 3 points 21 hours ago

War criminals can be held accountable without committing atrocities against civilians. The Nuremberg Trials held leading Nazis accountable for the crimes of the nation without holding each and every civilian accountable for crimes they were not themselves involved in committing at any point in the chain of command.

Just as the Holocaust justified neither Zionist settlement of Palestine nor enforcement of territorial claims through ethnic cleansing and genocide, genocide perpetuated against the Palestinian people by the Israeli government does not justify retributive violence against Israeli civilians. Engaging in such violence against Israeli civilians only serves to strengthen Israel's position internationally to the detriment of Palestine.

[-] musicalphysics@discuss.online 1 points 21 hours ago

Always defending Israel. Stop talking Zionist. Israel has killed more than 700,000 since Oct 7th. Tough to know since Israel killed all those that kept count. Most of those are indirect deaths due to starvation. But sure, keep going on about how Palestine is wrong genocidal Nazi.

[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I'm not a Zionist, if you'd had read my comments clearly; the Palestinian people deserve a state of their own.

Those keeping count of the Palestinian death toll are still keeping count, and the official figure as enumerated by Hamas (and viewed as reliable by the UN) was 73,001 as of June. In addition, 173,200 were enumerated as wounded.

Israeli violence against Palestinians far outweighs the violence committed by Hamas against Israelis, but it remains important to cite verifiable figures, not glorify violence against civilians, and focus efforts on holding the war criminals in the Israeli government accountable for their crimes. Israel is in the wrong, but the mass murder of Israeli civilians is neither a viable nor acceptable solution.

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[-] lmdnw@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Germany supporting genocide doesn’t really surprise me. They have some extensive experience with the concept of supremacy.

[-] huppakee@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Someone should ban Germany for anti-palistinianism /s

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