edit because I am getting pushback at Germany being at fault here, here is some context.
During the past months, Palestine solidarity protesters in Berlin have been reportedly subjected to police violence, leaving some injured and requiring medical care. Dozens were reportedly arrested, some for simply chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”. This slogan is widely used by the global Palestine solidarity movement yet has been treated by German authorities as expressing support for Hamas, the experts noted. While some courts upheld fines or bans deeming the slogan as “condoning violence”, other courts recognised it as protected under freedom of expression. Moreover, the experts expressed concern that, during protests marking the two-year anniversary of the 7 October Hamas-led attack and the subsequent genocide in Gaza, arbitrary arrests, detentions, and police violence were reported, including officers punching non-violent activists in the face; while the police in Berlin reportedly imposed a last-minute ban on protests without evidence-based justification.
In February, Berlin police ordered that speeches and slogans at a Palestinian solidarity demonstration be conveyed in German and English only. When protesters chanted in Hebrew and Arabic at a demonstration on 8 February, the protest was immediately violently dispersed by police.
In March, at a peaceful protest in Berlin, a woman was repeatedly hit in the face and on the head by a police officer. Similar violence by police officers was documented during protests on Nakba Day as well as at the Internationalist Queer Pride event in Berlin in July.
In February, the Christian Democratic Union Party led a parliamentary inquiry into the financing of civil society organizations. The inquiry consisted of 551 questions, aimed at assessing the political neutrality of state-funded organizations, particularly those campaigning against racism and for migrant rights. It thereby put such organizations under general suspicion.
On 20 March, the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled as unlawful the use of pain-compliance holds by the police to remove peaceful climate protesters from a previously dispersed gathering.
In March, the Berlin immigration authorities notified four foreign – EU and US – nationals of the termination of their residency status due to their involvement in student protests in support of Palestinians in 2024. None were convicted of any criminal charges. Leaked correspondence indicated that the Berlin Ministry of the Interior had pressured the immigration authorities to deport the four. All the cases were successfully challenged in preliminary proceedings and the deportations temporarily halted.
In May, following a Nakba commemoration protest, the Berlin Police claimed that an officer had been seriously injured at the hands of demonstrators. This allegation was used by police spokespeople, the mayor and the federal minister of interior to demand new police powers against protesters acting in solidarity with Palestinians. However, an independent investigation later discovered that the police officer had injured himself while beating protesters.
On 26 November the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled that the dissolution of a pro-Palestine conference in 2024 had been unlawful.
A state that grounds its legitimacy in universalizable norms cannot coherently say that the burdens produced by its special responsibility to Jews may simply fall on those who happened to live in the territory where the Jewish homeland was established—a land Jews had long regarded as their ancestral home. To avoid offloading the costs of its own past to others, Germany bears not only general human-rights duties to Palestinians, but also particular duties of non-complicity, protection, and repair toward them.
At this stage, I find these broader implications of the German responsibility toward Israel insufficiently reflected in German politics, and painfully so. But generational changes seem to be in the process of changing German attitudes in this direction.
If confirmed, these seem like pretty valid reasons for a ban to me.
You are a brainwashed German. A German could deny Poland's right to exist without getting charged with a crime. Why this double-standard for Israel, a state very openly committing genocide? The majority of the world is condemning the genocide and all you can talk about is limiting speech for what are practically splinter organisations of splinter organisations in terms of relevance. 🤦
It's so fucking telling that you conveniently missed the second part of the quoted sentence.
Hey, murdering civilians is bad, ok?
Hey, the organisation was not celebrating Oct. 7. The ruling makes it look like it the organisation welcomed Oct. 7. Newsflash! They didn't. Courts can make false decisions and you can go fuck yourself.
I encourage everyone reading this to watch the recent Professor Dave video on the Palestine issue, it's really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvDvhLkb9ms
Right I will believe some random internet person, from the tankie instance, rather than the result of investigations and the courts lmao.
Also talking about being brainwashed while being on the tankie instance is just peak comedy.
Also, by your logic Israel IS committing genocide and should be stopped! Going by the UN's ruling, but Ultradeutsche like you will be exceedingly selective in their argument. You will probably say that that ruling is false under some bullshit pretenses. Rules for thee, but not for me
Point out where I was saying that Israel isn't committing genocide?
You are foaming at the mouth so much, you have completely lost the plot.
You posted an Egotronic song, an act that is famously pro-Israel from what I can find online. Also you talk about "killing civilians", a painful Hasbara talking point meant to deflect and divert attention away from Israel's genocide in Palestine, which has been a continuity since the 40's. The appeal to civilian deaths also masks the Israeli military being a primary target for Hamas, the occupying and terrorising force prior to Oct. 7 – I refer to Professor Dave's fantastic video on Destiny. Remember here that Israel has nukes, the Palestinians outdated Soviet weapons at best. Israel also counts potentially self-inflicted deaths under the Hannibal directive as being deaths caused by the enemy side.
Secondly your point about murdering civilians would only be truly relevant if the organisation that was banned actually advocated that. The best "evidence" I could find regarding that was a claim about the one of the leaders of the organisation referring to Oct. 7 as an great act of resistance, it's apparently not documented when they said this, in what context they said this, and most importantly not clear if they made such a statement in the first place.
More than a year ago German police raided flats of individuals who supposedly were members of this organisation, despite that not having been the case. It's clear that there is significant overreach on the side of the German state to curtail speech. Palastina e.V. has been long-disbanded, but the German government decides to ban them? It makes no sense, from a traditional legalistic standpoint, it only makes sense when you consider German state interest. This is being criticised, you were derailing the discussion away from the core gripe.
That's a lot of words for a dodgy weasel for not pointing out where I said that Israel is not committing a genocide lmao
It doesn't matter, because I don't have the intention of deconstructing a specific thing you said. My intention in to disqualify your general position, which supports Israel as evidenced by your unwarranted appeal to "murdered civilians" (which is equivalent to the "have they condemned Khhhamas?" cliche), again something that according to the original news source here in this post (https://www.newarab.com/news/german-state-bans-pro-palestine-group-over-antisemitism) has not been definitely shown to have been celebrated by the group.
As per the article:
This does not concern any official positioning by the group itself. It regards supposed statements by a single member.
You are an especially vile and disgusting specimen if you are denying the people killed on Oct7 were civilians. Yikes
You are also hardly engaging with any of my points beyond moralistic flukes, instead you seem to attempt to paint me as a Hamas supporter. Which I am not, because I am not big on natlib
Nowhere did I deny that there were civilians that were killed. Sure, there were, but it overlooks the targeting and the targeting was primarily a military concern.
I can also say that you are a disgusting specimen for posting antideutsche (ew!) music and derailing discussions about a genocide that has or will claim hundreds of thousands of lives.
Yikes!
You are committing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority in its purest form. Personally, I think your hasbara takes are laughable. They will one day be seen as being equivalent to defending the Nazis.
I can't also stress enough that I am not an ML, don't go around assuming shit about people.
You feel israel has a specific right to exist?
That‘s the insane part. Because German law seems to be arguing nations have a fundamental right to exists by international law when they actually don‘t. There is no such international law. If there was German reunification would‘ve been impossible because no matter how many people approve of it, East Germany‘s right to exist would have to be respected regardless. That‘s of course not how nations work whatsoever. If people decide to dissolve a state it can be done. The nation has no fundamental right to exists. Not by international law.
It's a country recognized by the UN that has existed since 1948 full of people that really think of it as a country. So why shouldn't it have a right to exist?
Because Palestine doesn't seem to have that right, despite already being there long before 1948.
It has the same right to exist as Palestine.
No it doesn’t, it’s a colonial settler state that invaded Palestine and commits genocide.
Should Rhodesia also have a right to exist?
I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think the state has a right to exist. The people living there I will advocate for but states have the same moral weight as a corporation.
I don't even think the USA has a right to exist.
Why should Palestine-sympathizers care about international law when Israel and its allies don't feel the need to do the same? (I'm talking about Netanyahu being a war criminal that carpet-bombs cities using American and German weapons). Heck I saw a clip of German foreign minister comparing breaking international law to driving above speed limit.
How on Earth can a (presumably) grown human being write something so absurd?
Absolutely.
Yes, I've never heard of this group, but if this is true it would be justified.
But we must also say that the account @supersquirrel@lemmy.ca is, in fact, a Chinese propaganda parrot. They are frequently spreading anti-Western content under the pretext of human rights, but frequently denies to even slightly condemn China's atrocities.
This account seeks headlines that makes Europe or the West in general look bad (you can see this in their post history, they appear to be fixated on that).
I'm not seeing that in their post history. They share a wide variety of posts about all kinds of things.
Where have I spoken positively about China?
You are trying to erase any nuance between being highly critical of the US, Canada and Europe and being pro-China or functioning somehow as a propaganda mouthpiece for China which I am not... which was the entire point of my comment on your post.