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Agencies tout very high success rates, but some experts compare it to “crime control theatre”

On Sunday, March 22 of this year, a large swath of the population in Quebec was woken up at 4:25 a.m. as cellphones lit up and screamed. An Amber alert had been broadcast. Less than four hours later, the two missing children were thankfully found, unharmed, and the alert was cancelled.

Amber alerts cast wide nets in an effort to find abducted children and teenagers, but each time one is transmitted in Canada, we go through a predictable cycle. Many complain that these alerts cannot be turned off or muted, even in sleep mode, and that waking people up in the middle of the night to help them find a specific car that was last spotted 200 kilometres away is unnecessarily disruptive—with some even calling 911 to complain. Meanwhile, law enforcement officials remind us through the media that these alerts are only used when necessary and that they save lives.

Any subject tied to the safety of children is bound to evoke the deepest emotions. In fact, the crime that led to the creation of Amber alerts—and to their name—was monstrous enough that it’s no wonder it rallied influential people into building a system that could potentially prevent this kind of crime.

But warranted emotions aside, do Amber alerts even work? What little data we do have point to a system that has likely been oversold to us.

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[-] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 40 points 4 days ago

The only members of the public who might reasonably be expected to offer some help finding a license plate are driving, and aren't supposed to be messing around with phones.

This built-in contradiction has always bothered me.

These days there are ALPR cameras everywhere, and it's very hard to imagine John Q. Public is going to have a hot tip before our dystopian AI panopticon does. It has seemed obvious to me that, whatever their intention, the Amber alerts primarily function as copaganda: Persuading us that we live in a dangerous, unpredictable world, and that only the police can save us. By asking us for help locating license plates, while we're at home asleep at 3AM.

[-] Ronguaki@lemmus.org 11 points 4 days ago

Don't amber alerts predate license plate cameras getting popularized by a little bit? Like mid 1990s, so there would have been a decent window before ALPR cameras really took up enough real estate to be useful

[-] tmyakal@infosec.pub 9 points 4 days ago

While I mostly agree with you, it is worth noting that vehicles can (and often do) have passengers accompanying a driver. They would be free to mess around on their phones when the alert goes out.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Or you know you could safely pull to the side and call it in.

[-] MSids@lemmy.world 70 points 5 days ago

I live in New Hampshire and Maine was so terrible with their amber/safety alerts that I shut them off entirely on my phone. I remember getting woken up at 2 or 3am for an abducted child, they knew it was a parent. Later they sent out an ‘extreme’ (whatever the highest level is) threat to human life after a road rage incident where 1 guy shot another guy at an intersection. I was 150 miles away. That is a heck of a radius to set for one guy with a pistol. They ought to save extreme for when a meteor is headed for us or something.

[-] Zarobi@aussie.zone 20 points 5 days ago

Sounds like the system needs tweaking to be less disruptive. Maybe with some actual rules on usage and reach? Especially restrictions on alerts during sleeping hours

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago

Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of "WELL WHY DIDN'T THEY ISSUE AN AMBER ALERT???" when a kid is found dead.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How'd you turn yours off? They use a protocol on the phones that are designed so the user is unable to turn them off. Do you use a custom OS? -Or do you mean that you shut your entire phone off?

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

On my Pixel, stock os:

  • settings
  • safety & emergency
  • wireless emergency alerts

[-] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Iphone. Settings > Notifications > Government Alerts

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Thank You for posting that. This is all new information to me. When last I checked a few years ago no such menu existed.

[-] Joelk111@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago

My main issue with Amber Alerts is that they're not mutable. If my phone is screaming at me, I'm going to hit mute before reading what's on the phone. When I hit mute, the alert is gone. It's simply nowhere to be found. I can't read it in my notifications panel. It's gone.

It needs to show up as both an alert AND a notification. It's crazy that this isn't standard (in android, at least).

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I agree. One of the most frustrating things about Amber alerts is the fact that you can't easily look at the alert after it's been dismissed. I found out there is a way to find the alert but it's not simple.

As to the article. In my opinion if Amber alerts save just one child a year they're worth having.

[-] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

You can actually disable them on grapheneOS. I personally have most categories on except for Amber alert testing messages

[-] Joelk111@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I didn't mean I wanted them off, I just wanted to be able to tell my phone to stop yelling at me and still read the alert.

[-] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

You can disable "always alert at full volume" so they respect volume and do not disturb but it states it will still do full volume for the most severe alert. I hope that's for stuff like cat 5 hurricane headed your way and not being on the lookout for an elderly person

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 days ago

As per the article, in Canada, Amber Alerts are sent at the top level. Meaning even if your phone lets you set different sounds for different levels of government alert, Amber Alerts are sent at the "Your life is in imminent danger if you don't take immediate action" level every time.

I "hacked" my phone to disable the system, then downloaded an app that sends me equivalent notifications with the sound effects of my choosing.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Could you tell us what that app is?

And yes, the fact that they blast out amber alerts at the same level as "imminent nuclear attack" is unbelievably stupid. There's no justification for it whatsoever.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago

The app's called Alertable! I don't know if it has Amber Alerts and stuff, but it gives me the alerts that I want.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago

Awesome, thank you

[-] Zeddex@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This must depend on your phone, carrier, province/territory or some combination. I 100% don't need to hack my phone to disable alerts or disable allowing it to bypass do not disturb. I'm also in Canada.

Stock Galaxy Z fold 5. No custom OS or anything on Rogers.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, on my old Samsung, I was able to disable alerts, make it respect DND, etc. But on my Pixel, I'm not.

It's unfortunate because there are all kinds of settings to customize the alerts on my Pixel, but it's designed for the system to be used as intended.

The Pixel doesn't allow you to change or turn off the Presidential alerts (aka. "Your life is in immediate danger"), but that's what ALL alerts are sent as in Canada.

It's definitely your phone, possibly your carrier to some extent, and almost definitely not your province/territory (since the system is configured nationally).

[-] Zeddex@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

Huh. That's really weird because there are people replying to this post saying they can do it with Pixel devices. I looked through my alert history and the last time I got an AMBER alert was almost a year ago so I can't really say it respects DND and all that.

[-] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

Í live in Fort Worth, why the hell do I get amber alerts for Houston!? That's a 6 hour drive at least..

[-] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I live in Anchorage, AK. Why do I get Amber Alerts for Barrow. They're 900 miles away, not on the road system, and if the kidnapper and victim fled by any means other than plane they're likely dead.

As in the kind of dead where a paleontologist will write a paper about finding a tiny piece of their mangled remains in a pile of fossilized polar bear shit a millennia from now.

Just about every Amber alert I've ever gotten has been that kind of utterly useless.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Amber alerts may not come out immediately when a child disappears. It could be hours later. It's better that people are aware of a beat up red Toyota Camry that is expected to be transporting and abducted child than not.

[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago

The article says if a child is harmed, it usually happens within the first three hours.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Ok? Does that mean we should stop searching after 3 hours?

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 6 points 4 days ago

By the time you can verify the child is in danger odds are more than 3 hours have passed.

Many claims of child endangerment are really a parent (or grand parent) trying to mess with their EX who currently has custody of the child. The child is not in danger at all. The system needs to spend time verifying that the report is real before bothering thousands (or likely millions) of people.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Yep, which is why I don't think that 6 hours away is necessarily too far for an amber alert. I think that's extra true in a place like texas that's so large that it may take a driver about 6 hours to get to a larger metro area from their starting spot. Maybe not 6 hours, but not a 30 min jaunt.

[-] Mpatch@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Yea, because after 3 hours it's just too hard to find them, they could be anywhere. Only if we could find a way to get the help of the public or something. Many eyes are better than one.

[-] Mpatch@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Okay, the kid is harmed, but then what? Still a good way to find the abductor, get closure, find the body. Or should we just let them get away with it after 3 hours? Is that all that it takes in your head? A 3 hour statue of limitations?

[-] jimerson@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago
[-] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

"Here's Jose Flanders!"

"Buenos ding dong diddly Diaz senor!"

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 12 points 4 days ago

I haven't got an amber alert in a long time. Probably because the first woke everyone up at two AM. Next morning the child was found safe with the parent who had legal custody the whole time. Now they have so many checks in place that the alerts are almost never worth sending

[-] GarboDog@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Yes for other children, it didn’t for us (but wasn’t amber alert that failed though, it was failure of police investigation.)

Anywho if you get an Amber alert, see a child/person in severe distress. Reach out or at least take note of what’s going on. It’s important.

[-] Mpatch@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Y'all spend fucking hours gooning, doom scrolling and posting about what your damn cat did each day. What can't handle a 10-second interruption to your t-girl jerk hour?

Amber alerts aren't emergency warnings. If you chose to ignore a warning about a tornado or a possible flood, that's your problem. But out there is a kid that might need help, and all you're asked to do is to report if you see something suspicious that's matches the description.

If it means one less kid is going to end up on kiddie diddly island or found in a ditch, then send those alerts all day.

I thank you for your sacrifice and devastating hardship you have to face each time you get an amber alert like once or twice a year.

[-] xyro@morbier.foo 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Have you ever heard the story about the boy who cry wolf?

Seems a bit counter-productive when 1/7 peoples want the government to disable it entirely while tech-saavy peoples will disable the system in their phone to not be bothered.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 5 days ago

Luckily the alerts can be turned off in the US. I don't want to be woken up for something hundreds of miles away.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

~~Am in the US and that is not the case.~~

I stand corrected. Updates in recent years seemed to have changed this.

-Cunningham’s law strikes again.

[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Well, it may depend on your phone and os version, it wasn't always the case.

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 5 points 4 days ago

Now i see why the uk got one about not lighting barbeques, they were copying all of you.

I turned it off

[-] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

In Spain some of us got an alert for the solar eclipse, I kid you not. And the worst part is that with the loud beeping your first reaction is to turn it off... and by doing that you dismiss the message, so it is useless as fuck. Asking around somebody sent me a screenshot. I couldn't believe this was used for something that stupid.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

What? Was this about Gas leak or something?

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 4 points 4 days ago

Forest fires, so the government sent everyone an urgent warning to stop using disposable barbeques.

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

What’s a disposable barbecue? I’m kinda guessing through context that you mean charcoal rather than gas powered?

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[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

What can you even cook on that thing with so little charcoal inside?

[-] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 3 points 3 days ago

I wouldnt want to try a steak but it works fine for burgers and sausages.

Often theyre used by small groups of 3-4 people so dont need to cook much.

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