If I pay 100+ dollars for something I expected to ship with basic drivers. If it’s free, I’m un surprised if and when it rarely doesn’t have the drivers I need
Still new, trying Linux Mint Cinnamon. I don't think I can break it. It's super user friendly.
Eh, not always. For months after I started using Bazzite, Dolphin's Windows EXE thumbnailer didn't work. Should it have worked? Yeah. Why didn't it? Who fucking knows. Did it get fixed? Yes. How did it get fixed? New Plasma version I guess.
Thats the other thing: a glaring issue or bug with linux is likely to be fixed within a few days.
Ive had issues with microsoft in 2012 that still exist today
Definitely true when learning Linux, but to be fair, things do break on their own. Example: just yesterday I updated fedora and it broke my network connections for my vms. I certainly didn’t do that, and it seems to be a repeating issue.
But you wanna know what the difference is?
- A 30 second web search identified the problem and a quick edit of the network.conf text file fixed the issue.
- even if I couldn’t fix it, I could very easily roll the updates back
- this issue will get fixed for good and won’t still be lingering around for 10 years
Compare that to me updating win11 on a faster more capable computer a couple weeks ago:
- It broke like a bazillion things, well documented on the internet, no solutions other than “we’ll maybe fix that someday”
- the computer rebooted THREE times! 3! I’ve seen two-three was a new one
- it took 40 minutes on a 32 core threadripper, 64gb ram, plenty of free hard drive space, and a 4090 card. No, it wasn’t years of updates, and it wasn’t a major version update. It was maybe 1.5 months since last update.
Linux is great, not perfect, but great with great communities.
Update your Windows PC weekly and reboot once a week and that will resolve 90% or more of your issues. Updates are frequent, delaying the install can cause several problems. 1.5 months since last update is regularly an issue even in the enterprise space.
Not saying that is acceptable to most people. But best practice is to allow updates and to apply them at least once a week.
Microsoft only ships updates once a month. Did you fall into a time hole from 2001?
I guess it may be smaller updates like .NET and some drivers. .NET and most of the other smaller updates shouldn't even need restarting, they just eat your CPU and take ages because Microsoft is silently compiling them in the background on your computer.
Nowadays, Microsoft Defender's definitions are, for some reason, also shipped through Microsoft Update. You can get those daily or every few days, but they're fast and won't affect your system in any way.
Drivers usually shouldn't be common after installing the first batch, so I doubt you'd get a lot of those in 1.5 months.
Indeed, Microsoft only ships system updates on patch tuesday, the second tuesday of the month.
So this user could only have had a max of 2 system updates, 1-2 driver updates maybe (unlikely, though), and then possibly another 1-2 .NET updates. If the user has Defender activated, add a definitions update. Keep in mind that this is basically worst case scenario. Those updates should never cause issues, be that slow, or require 3 reboots.
True freedom means responsibility. You should have the right to destroy yourself and your OS
Well.... Funny but not quite true. Let's talk about updating certain distro that always break something new. Now before we go into distro wars, I'm aware I could just go for a more "stable" distro but yeah, problems definily occurs in Linux but I would never go back to windows.
If your are on a rolling release distro, that's on you. Especially one that needs to build everything as part of the install process. We know what we signed up for.
Linux Inc. does not spend billions of dollars ensuring you have no options but Linux.
It also doesn't exist, so that helps too.
My favourite Corporations are the ones that don't exist
I've broken my desktop by running a pacman -Syu a few times. That was hardly my fault unless you consider my choice to use a rolling distro to be a fault in itself.
That tends to happen once in a while, usually because of Nvidia. One time happened because of GRUB update though I wasn't affected that time since I was using systemd-boot. That's not the reason I moved over to Void but gotta say I'm quite happy with the slower pace of rolling-release.
Isn't Arch the distro where you're supposed to read the update announcements and react to issues accordingly? Obviously someone is going to experience an issue for the first time, but a proper Arch user takes on a lot of responsibilities that e.g. Debian users don't accept.
Ya I just went through this myself, long story short, never sync your home dir to nextcloud via the desktop client. Do the sub folders one at a time.
That's most likely Nextcloud desktop's fault though. One time I was syncing my games folder and it had an error downloading some files and when I clicked retry sync it apparently decided that I had deleted the games folder so it just immediately removed the entire thing from my Nextcloud server. Didn't even send it to trash despite me having the option to put deleted files in trash enabled.
One of the reasons I love Linux, actually.
Nobody to blame but myself, so let's start figuring this shit out I guess
You can dig as deep as you care to, all the way down to source code. And if you can't read code, you can learn to. If you don't want to spend the time, that's completely reasonable. But it's your choice.
Years ago, coming from Windows 7, I decided Linux Mint was simple enough to dip my toes into Linux. Some jackass had posted a guide to manually install a cool looking desktop environment and I fell for it faster than an idiot born yesterday.
Sure, the DE worked and looked cool for a day or two. But it was massively borked after the first security update. Looking back, I wouldn't do anything different. I am grateful for that tough first lesson. After spending the subsequent days reading about the different distros, I picked one that was notoriously un-shiny and I read the documentation. Whenever I think about adding shiny, unsupported thingies, I think about how fast foolish decisions can tank the OS.
I mean that's the whole deal for me. I can take it if I know I can fix it
There is no fixing microsoft
me shily walking over to my timeshift snapshots after running
sudo chmod -R 775 /
Instead of with a dot...
TimeShift was probably one of the most important teaching aides I had when I first started on Linux.
I've been on Bazzite for a couple years now, so I have no need for it anymore.
But I learned sooooo much by breaking my EndeavourOS install and then rolling back.
I've only had to rollback with Bazzite once so far (it's hard to break), and it was literally just one rpm-ostree command. Love it.
Plot twist: Your snapshots were mounted when you did that and are now also very accessible.
People actually thought about that... so snapshots are read-only by design
Yes, when something is forced on a person, that tends to lead to resentment. Meanwhile if a person freely chooses something, they may wonder if they chose properly.
Yeah every issue is basically a mystery that will lead you down a rabbit hole, be prepared to learn a lot of things and copy and paste code you do not fully understand, well if you are a layman like me
No, that's pretty typical even for an experienced Windows admin.
Or just keep back ups and reinstall the OS.
Honestly I've been using Linux for like 15 years and there have been times that just reinstalling which takes 45 minutes would have been the fastest and easiest solution to a problem I will likely never encounter again.
I curse Canonical whenever I have to use Ubuntu. #equality
Oh look the fstab command I didn't fully understand has written all the NTFS indexes over the partition tables on all my hard drives... Whelp time to learn data recovery.
I feel like fucking up fstab is a rite of passage
I never had issues on windows 11, but fuck that noise.
Ive since moved CachyOS, I’ve put in 30-60 mins a week fixing or setting up things. The recent was a random “a wedged CEF cache in the Steam client”. Im happy to pay it and i learn more of a system im part of. Im in awe of all the work already done in linux.
Tbf the biggest problems i had with linux were caused by some Windows partition so the first image may as well apply to the second case sometimes.
"Oh maybe I could fix it by trying this thing."
"But what if it messes things up?"
"Ah it'll be just fine if I mess around here just this once."
"It'll work don't worry."
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