Denmark: Either defend your shit or transfer sovereignty to Ukraine or Iran.
Uh, fuck off. We defended Greenland - sovereign nation within the Kingdom, not ours BTW - for 450 years, the last 80 of them via international treaties and a defense agreement which, it turns out, was an issue because Americans are apparently dumber than a bag of dicks and decided to reelect a fascist rather than a black woman.
Also, who's saying we're not defending it?
Citizen of Europe, treat the statians in the bases in your country on cocktails. The authentic Finnish variety.
don't americans know that u can buy oil from the grocery store for quite cheap?
really dumb idiots
The Greenland government’s statement said it “would not be proportionate” to demand the equipment be removed.
Have they learned nothing? Trump will keep taking more, inch by inch, until he feels consequences. His poll numbers are at historic lows, and he is busy with Iran, now is the time to stand up to this menace.
Corruption is signing the order to guillotine your own family and still thinking your above that same order.
No it wouldn't be proportionate.
They should fuckind seize the equipment, expell all the deciders involved on site, and ban all senior managers of that company from entering the country again.
Imported illegally, you say?
Seize it. It's Greenlands Government's property now.
This so strongly feels like the obvious play. Seize the equipment, let them buy it back, require payment for delivery outside of the country. If they haven't bought it back within 3 months, auction it off to someone else
Fucking stupid how people bend over and keep letting him get away with his bullshit.
It feels like literally nobody has learned anything and it's honestly a fucking nightmare
I'd just let that shit sit there and keep telling them "we're working on it" with the approval process. I would definitely keep stalling until November to see what happens.
Just arrest and detail the mongrels! Don’t they have ICE there?
You can’t be reasonable with the Demented ad that’s a sign of weakness.
What makes you think they will wait?
You're spot on. They're going to do whatever they want, and if their exploratory wells prove reserves Trump will just declare Greenland part of the U.S. and that's that. There is already a U.S. base on the island and it will be manned with sufficient troops to suppress dissent.
Except it won’t really be the end of it and therein lies the risk. Trump maybe thinking that since the US has a base on the island and the Greenlanders have no army of their own, that the island is technically already his. It’s exactly the kind of incompetence and stupidity that got him entrenched in a forever war with Iran.
And just like Iran made a mistake by not posing a credible threat, Europe is far to lenient when it comes to threats like these. If Europe doesn’t respond with threats of their own, Dementia Donnie might actually start a second European war in Greenland.
I say second, because there is no way Trump is going to end the Iran-war before the midterm elections, even though he seems to think so.
That's the terrifying part, Trump has no capacity for strategic thinking, no regard for anyone else, and no respect for human life. There are only about 56K people on Greenland, and he would treat them like the Conquistadors treated the natives they encountered, or the settlers treated the Native Americans as they stole their lands. Of course there would be huge backlash from Europe, which would likely involve isolating the U.S. from trade, but I doubt there'd be a hot war against the U.S.. I could be wrong though. In any event, Trump is a moron, a horrible person, and it will take the collapse of the U.S. to get rid of him.
I don't think Trump is ready for the shitshow that will cause. Eu has decided to support Greenland, and the response was readied already last year. If USA does this it will be completely devastating to relations between USA and EU. Resulting in a trade war like never seen before. And it will utterly destroy NATO.
I’m nearly certain it would result in a shooting war.
We will have to remind all of our active service members about the long and rich tradition of fracking.
Putting troops in a shooting war for Greenland is going to be a hard sell and it seems as though the rank and file need to be reminded that they literally have a responsibility per the UCMJ to refuse illegal orders
That is absolutely possible too, and we know USA isn't very good at arctic warfare.
If they don't then any pretense of the US not being the number one world threat is over. It would be seen as an invasion. We could end up sanctioned out of world trade and Greenland will likely be defended militarily. That could lead to world war. Given the state of US military leadership, that could be the end of the United States of America. No good outcome could come of it. It would be catastrophically stupid.
The fact that he's busy with Iran is half the reason this is happening. Trump needs a win and probably reckons that he can quickly drive a tit-for-tat escalation over Greenland oil rights in time for the US midterm elections. Right now, his approval ratings are in the toilet, even to a certain extent with voters who have voted for him before... and it's not because his voters disapprove of his law enforcement policies or because of his being all over the Epstein files. It's because right now he's demonstrating major weakness in Iran. He looks weak, and that's the one thing he can't afford to be seen to be.
My point is that he obviously sees Greenland as a quick win. He has some basis for this opinion: Europe is currently hopelessly dependent on the USA for our security. We're working on fixing that, but aside from a few exceptions, we've only been working on it for a few years; we haven't spent decades preparing for a "what if the USA tries to fuck us?" scenario the way Iran has. The USA is busy with Iran, but we're busy with Russia in a way that the USA simply isn't. Right now the EU has Russia sniffing around its eastern border, and a sudden US rug-pull could be disastrous. Both sides are aware of that, which is why the EU has been trying de-escalation so far.
Trump, like Putin, will keep pushing for as long as he's allowed - but the solution of "stand up to him" only works if we can follow through. You don't pull a gun if you're not willing to fire it. Acting tough now and then quickly capitulating later wouldn't help, so the key question is "if we push back and Trump doesn't back down, can we put our money where our mouth is? How far are we willing to go with this if it turns into brinksmanship?". I honestly don't know what the answer to that question is, but European strategists are better briefed on the logistics of the situation than I am, so hopefully they do, and react accordingly. I suspect that the European response will be subtle but firm, moving JUST ENOUGH resources into Greenland's vicinity to let Trump know that if he DOES try something, it would get messy and wouldn't be over quickly enough to give him the quick boost he's looking for.
He saw Iran as a quick win too though
I don't agree. I think the Israeli's needed breathing room to move forward with the Greater Israel project. The US was brought in to disrupt the Iranian support of Hamas. It was never about winning. It's about providing military assistance to Israel for colonisation of the Middle East.
@Tango@piefed.ca makes a lot of good points. The EU is currently funneling billions into the Eastern front. If the US was to set up shop in Greenland. Could the EU meaningfully push back. They are so entwined with the US any type of war would be a disaster, trade or otherwise.
If the US seriously invades Greenland there's not a lot Europe can do. Almost all EU tech infrastructure relies on US companies. They'd be fucked.
Strap in. It's about to get even worse.
I used win because that's what was used in the comment I replied to.
I was just pointing out that the Iran conflict was not intended to be long engagement either.
If Trump thinks invading Greenland is going to be a quick engagement that's also as much of a miscalculation as thinking Iran would be quick.
Further more I don't disagree that good points were made. If the US declares ownership of Greenland that will be the next chapter world warfare.
Strap in indeed. And I for one will go fight it
Even more urgency to make ourselves more independent from US tech companies. What is Europe going to do when Microsoft or MasterCard sanctions us? Yeah, exactly. Time to implement alternatives. Monopolies make us all weak and easy to control.
They can be arrested and charged and the equipment seized.
What they are doing is a crime after all.
Maybe they should, I dunno... do something about it?
Bold move for Mr Trump seeing he’s out of bombs
If Greenland doesn't have swarms of cheap drones, Trump won't need missiles. He will go to ground invasion directly.
There's always nukulur weapons in the banana stand!
Make their CEO visit the shadow realm and see if they follow through...
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