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submitted 3 hours ago by Tooks@piefed.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

You make $65,000 (USD 🤢) in a dead end career doing nothing but showing up sometimes. Guaranteed employment without change in intensity or salary until retirement in 15 years at age 62. You receive 3 weeks paid vacation, reasonably priced medical, dental, and vision insurance, 401k matched at 2.5%, and virtually unlimited sick days as long as you don't call out too often (>3x month). You are given 6 college credits per semester to use at the local university. You're currently working on a PhD.

You live comfortably and have 1 year's salary saved. Zero dependents.

Do you ride it out, or do you seek a career change before it's too late.

I know, infinite unknown variables, but what would you do regardless?

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[-] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago

My 2 cents, these jobs don't last forever. The type of companies with unlimited PTO or sick plans usually will lay off people in this position eventually, or get acquired, shutter offerings etc. Best to improve yourself while you have the time. Prep for a career change, get an MBA or another cert. Check out WGU and see if you can commit the time. Ride it out sure but once it dries up you're kind of assed out man. Much harder to find a job in your 50s even in mamagement

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago

Depends, of course. I'm not personally wildly ambitious about work so that would be fine with me. If no raise though, that money will not be enough in 15 years. So it would need to come with raises to meet inflation at least.

Retirement at 62 would be a big upgrade from what I expect to be able to do, but I did raise a lot of kids.

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 55 minutes ago

Is it work from home? Might be able to swing a second job during the do nothing 8-5 to bump up the numbers if you’re able.

[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Finish the PhD, then get a new job.

$65k will be worth half of what it is or less in 10 years. You will, at best, get a raise of about 5% per year. You will see a 20% - 30% raise if you jump ship with the PhD provided you go for corporate positions (you'll barely be treading water if you decide to teach).

The stability of the current job is an illusion - they will let you go the moment it becomes profitable for them to do so. The only person who can ensure you stability is you, and the only way you can do that is by maximizing your earning potential so you have enough wealth to survive a jobless period. Do not rely on unemployment benefits - they're a joke and often arrive as much as a year late.

Source: I took the stable route at that same salary number. Was laid off after 10 years during COVID, while I was sick. My next position I jumped from 65k to 90k, and with the next to 110k within three years. It took over 18 months for me to receive my unemployment benefits.

Companies have no loyalty to you. You are a resource to be exploited. Treat them the same way, and you'll be much wealthier and likely happier for it.

[-] missingno@fedia.io 3 points 1 hour ago

Sounds a hell of a lot better than the dead end job I just left. Are they hiring?

[-] Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

52,832 more dollars a year than I survive on. Unless you think your job will evaporate soon you have a pretty good thing. Get your PhD. Keep your job as long as you can. Jumping at somthing new has a very good chance of blowing up in your face in this market. Caveat, I don't work so what do I know? But if you aren't severely depressed about it I'd stay

[-] credo@lemmy.world 47 points 3 hours ago
[-] alianne@lemmy.world 33 points 3 hours ago

Regardless of the answer, I'd follow this up with "Are you unhappy?" If you're happy-ish or at least not unhappy, then the peace of mind that comes with job security is a big motivator.

You can always seek happier happiness outside of work so long as the work itself doesn't promptly steal it all when you go in the next day.

[-] credo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

It’s an optimization problem.

There are a lot of factors that could go into what you or I end up calling happiness. We probably see things differently after all. Job (life) security, being wild and free, location, family, friends, money.. the list goes on. Optimize for what makes you happy.

[-] Tooks@piefed.social 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'm a contradiction. I'm no more unhappy than I am happy. Pay isn't the best, but the certainty and creature comforts make it tolerable.

[-] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 4 points 3 hours ago

Only thing that matters

[-] Mr_Wobble@thelemmy.club 38 points 3 hours ago

The location matters. $65K in Arkansas is not the same as $65K in California.

[-] Tooks@piefed.social 13 points 3 hours ago

West Virginia-Lite. About 2 hours outside of DC. Homes around here range from dilapidated trailers to McMansions. A cornucopia of ugh.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Sounds exactly like where I grew up. I got out of there the first chance I could. Would you consider moving to another state or city? Also, are you in any danger?

Personally, I've hit the point where I no longer want to contribute to some random employer and would rather do something myself. That's another possible direction

[-] Carl@anarchist.nexus 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yeah, this is impossible to answer until we know the cost of living in OP’s area. In my area, $65k would be decent for one person, (slightly above the average for a single individual, but only about half of the average household income) but would basically be hand-to-mouth regarding income and expenses. You wouldn’t be able to save anything with $65k, which means you’d have zero wiggle room for future planning or surprise expenses.

If I was able and willing to move to the middle of bumfuck nowhere, I could be really damned comfortable for $65k. But that would be entirely dependent on my job (ability to WFH, and thus able to pack up and move), availability of things like groceries/hospital/etc., and also my willingness to suddenly have an hour drive before I’m in town. If you hate rural living and are tied down by an in-person job, the “move where it’s cheap” idea doesn’t really have a lot of options.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

Also income matters less in counties with better social support nets and health systems

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 23 points 3 hours ago

Ride it out. No question. You have unlimited opportunities to grow outside the job.

No employer is going to hire a 47 year old. Too old to train and not enough experience in the field to be a good manager.

If you aren't getting enough excitement from the job, go out and start dating or find a hobby.

Heck, the the year's salary you have saved there are dozens of businesses you could start.

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 29 minutes ago

The fuck? I got my job around that age. And we hired our temp who is at least 65. And a treasury manager over 60 too.

It's harder, I'm sure. But 47 is absolutely NOT too old to change careers, that's nonsense.

[-] Tooks@piefed.social 7 points 2 hours ago

This is more of where I'm leaning, but then I think I'm wasting my potential, without having any idea where to even exhibit potential.

I'm referred to as a "generalist" at work. I'm told that's a good thing.

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

We’ve been taught that we need to use all our potential but if you don’t gain from it, even spiritually, I truly don’t see the point.

Do what makes you happy as long as others don’t get hurt. For a lot of people, that conveniently happens to involve helping others. If that isn’t yours, then just keep looking until you find it.

You are the only one in control of what you deem “realized potential”.

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago

I've worked in the arts and I've worked in public health.

Yes, you can get a certain satisfaction from helping people, or creating something.

In the end, if you're looking for true fulfillment, it's an inside job.

No career is going to guarantee happiness. Look at superstars like Charlie Sheen or Tiger Woods. The both had all the external validation anyone could ask for.

My best advice is to accept that your going to be on this job, and start looking for answers in otehr places.

Have you tried meditation?

I know it sounds corny, but in the end, happiness is a choice not a destination.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Your potential doesn't need to be limited to work. You can exhibit that in a multitude of ways with no connection to a job.

[-] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah potential and job are often mutually exclusive. Unless you’re like a teacher or something where you’re actually helping people and not just a person making boss more money.

Find something you enjoy that can give back to the community. Help establish something cool, or help foster/TNVR cats or dogs, or find something you could do that is fulfilling and helps you not feel like you’ve done nothing. Enjoy yourself.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Never hurts to look.

I think the better question is "What offer would cause you to leave the position?"

You live comfortably and have 1 year’s salary saved.

At 47? That sounds pretty bleak from a retirement perspective. If I could find a job in the six figure range, I'd bounce in a heartbeat.

I had a job kinda-sorta similar to this when I was in my 20s. Best decision I every made was to jump to a higher paying job at a faster growing company in the O&G sector. Ultimately tripled my salary over ten years, and I'm sitting on well more than one year's salary with all the same benefits and some additional perks.

You are given 6 college credits per semester to use at the local university. You’re currently working on a PhD.

What are you even going to do with a PhD once you've finally got it? This seems like a hobby more than a career plan.

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Unless your salary is inflation adjusted over those 15 years, you are going to end up in a bad place if you ride it out. I personally couldn't make it on $65k and would be looking to either supplement my income or find a higher paying job ASAP. If it was a reasonable income for where I live and covered my bills, and resulted in me being able to still afford retiring at 62, I might stick with it if it wasn't driving me totally crazy with boredom.

Do you absolutely LOATHE your life right now the way it is? Do you regret EVERY choice you ever made in your life that steered you to where you are now? If yes, then you are probably part of the majority of Americans your age. Go ahead and look for change, because no matter what happens, you won’t miss where you are now.
BUT if you answered no, then congratulations, you are happier than most people your age, and keep looking for other ways to find joy because more than likely you’ll end up in a worse spot for you and regret ever shaking things up.

[-] Octavio@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago

I’d shoot my shot. If I’m working towards a PhD I am too smart to waste my life working a boring job for a comfortable but not great salary.

[-] Dookieman12@piefed.social 2 points 2 hours ago

Despite having your needs satisfied, you sound unfulfilled. More money won't necessarily change that.

People say, "Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life," but the truth is the opposite. When you do something every day, you become good at it. That skill, that proficiency fosters enjoyment and leads to us loving what we do. I'm not in my career field because I love it, I love what i do because I'm very good at it and mastery is its own reward.

Are you certain there's no way to monetize your PhD? Surely you could teach with those credentials?

[-] Krusty@quokk.au 2 points 2 hours ago

Another word for scholarship is leisure.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

What does showing up entail here? How many hours a week? Use the time to slowly build towards another career, something that uses both so you don't start at square one maybe.

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 hours ago

No dependents? Big.

Do you have shelter and food accounted for in a reliable way? That’s really what matters.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Disclaimer: No idea what amout of wealth that translates to in your specific location.

I think the work itself really does matter, what use is wealth if the job is destroying your mental or physical health? What you'll do with that depends on what other (theoretcially) marketable skills you have, how the actual market for those skills is right now, and how long it would take to take any relevant training (that's on your own time, not while you're already employed). Do you have any idea what you'd do instead of your job?

Also, how certain are you that you actually get to retire at 62? 15 years is a long time for some asshole politician to decide that whatever retirement plan you may have isn't worth the paper it's printed on ...

[-] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 hours ago

Are you looking for advice? Cause that's how it sounds lol. The answer and reasons are different for everyone.

Ultimately the question is, how does the job make you feel? If I hate getting up everyday to go to work, I'm probably going to at least look at my options if not straight run out of there crying.

If it's ok but nothing too exciting. I don't dread it but, I also don't look forward to it, I might stay. But only if I can find a way to spice it up a bit. Maybe that's a new podcast to listen to while working. Maybe it's finding something to do in my down time, maybe it's researching a new hobby or something.

If I like the job but I'm not going anywhere but I'm that close to retirement, I'm going to probably stay. Until they give me a reason to hate it. Then, I'm out.

[-] tpyoman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Strictly me with my life experience, at 20 I would try and find something else more exciting and fulfilling, today in my mind theories I would stay especially with my phd in progress it would give me time to do it properly, and give me enough money to at least stay alive, and not be pressured into any bullshit stressful situation at work which has been my experience with jobs so far.

[-] Tooks@piefed.social 2 points 2 hours ago

At 20, I thought there was a future as a professional partier. Sounds like you have your head on straight. Keep up the good work!!

[-] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

This pretty much was my job up until recently, though we get better leave than that in Australia.

[-] farmgineer@nord.pub 4 points 3 hours ago

If they allow remote work, I'll take it since I'm about to lose my job and, with the shitty USD <-> JPY rate, I only made slightly under that last year.

Were I you, though, I'd be looking.

[-] Tooks@piefed.social 4 points 2 hours ago

Should have added the remote schedule. Two days in office, three remote. No device monitoring. Round trip commute 70 minutes.

[-] spectrums_coherence@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You are working on a PhD, depends on the suject and your effort, you likely will have a better job in no time, right :)

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