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[-] RQG@lemmy.world 171 points 11 months ago

As an outsider it seems absolutely weird that the US as a country seems to have accepted people getting shot by other regular people daily as normal.

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago

Oprah Winfrey once said, everybody gets a gun, you get a gun, you get a gun, we all get a gun.

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[-] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 43 points 11 months ago

Actual regular people haven't accepted it as normal. Fascists in our country continue to hamstring any efforts to fix the situation because they want the rest of us to keep being reminded that the fascists can and will murder us at will. Standard issue stochastic terrorism.

[-] sadie_sorceress@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago

My kids' school recently had an active shooter drill like we used to do fire drills when I was a kid. They said they all had hiding spots to go to and they thought it was pretty scary. They're in elementary school. It's definitely not normal that instead of doing something about the guns we have to teach kids to hide from gunmen because that's just a legit possibility now.

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[-] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago

As an American, I think the moment I said "which one" when asked if I had heard about the mass shooting in wherever it was I can't even remember now, that was when I realized how fucked our gun policies are.

[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 20 points 11 months ago

What else is there to do but accept it? It isn't like our politicians have the will to do anything about it. Peaceful protest falls on deaf ears. The gun crazies would gladly die in a blaze of glory rather than be disarmed. The country is awash in guns and ammunition. So please do tell, oh wise outsider, what the hell a normal person is supposed to do about it?

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[-] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 102 points 10 months ago

The guys was committed for two weeks and had threatened to shoot up a national guard base. They had the information to act on and take away his guns and they didn't because they didn't need to. This is even more fucked because it was probably avoidable.

[-] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 60 points 10 months ago

There are no red flag laws in Maine. There was no legal way to take his guns even if they thought that was necessary. Also, the christofacist supreme court is set to strike down laws that prevent people convicted domestic violence from owning guns, which will chip away at the legality of red flag laws everywhere. Happy Thursday everyone!

[-] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If he was a reservist, I'm pretty sure his commander could've ordered him to surrender his weapons.

And the bar under the UCMJ to do deal with a suicidal/homicidal troop is way lower than what it is for a civilian.

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[-] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 96 points 11 months ago
[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago

This thing doesn't go past 0 very often

[-] Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 months ago
[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

Not based on that list

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

And that's the issue, some definitions make it seem like it's less of an issue than it truly is...

[-] Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

That was sarcastic. 6 days max without a mass shooting is low. Especialy when the average number is 2 mass shooting every fucking day.

[-] Fraylor@lemm.ee 81 points 11 months ago

Fuck Reagan. He created this shithole of a situation and ruined this country. I'm happy he died of Alzheimers and simply pray he was terrified and miserable in the last moments of his life.

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[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Every iteration of gun control, with few exceptions, carves out exceptions for LEOs and Military. If you want this to stop a good start would be making these guys have to follow the laws the rest of us do, because if you campaign for more of the same from your lawmakers, I guarantee there will still be exceptions for the people who protect the rich.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 38 points 11 months ago

Exceptions for active military can work because they are subject to the far more strict ucmj. Cops are a real problem though, they kill 1000 or so people every year with minimal consequence.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

1200 last year, that we know of. Cops self report their crimes. There is no law that requires them to report if they have committed a murder.

https://policeviolencereport.org/

[-] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not so fun fact cops were invented to prevent people like us from stealing crates in the harbor 200 years ago. They used to be just upper class people who patrolled the port. They didn't always exist, so it's just as possible for them to cease to exist. A society without goons in blue is possible. Cops protect the owners of the country. edit: Why can't we commoners set up our own force to protect us the regular people?

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[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago

The ucmj being strict is worth little against someone taking up his guns and going rampage.

Why does anyone from the Police or Military need to own firearms privately? The only reason i could think of is training, but that is a responsibility of the employer, to give enough training to the cops and soldiers.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago

Private ownership of guns is allowed, asking why anyone needs it is non sequitur.

You need to decide if you are ok with living in a free society or not. In a free society people are going to be able to do bad stuff sometimes.

[-] Varixable@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago

This argument would make more sense if this free society wasn't the same society that would jail me for years for wanting to occasionally do some cocaine. As it stands, this is not a free society and this argument isn't one.

[-] RoadArchie@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

What makes you a more free person? Much smaller risk of death and suicide or owning guns? Lol

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[-] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's where the gun culture comes in. America has none, they just have guns and no protective, strict culture of do's and don'ts around them. Not everything has to be restricted by law if a society decides that there are still rules. We have a social rule that when we sneeze or cough we put something in front of our mouth. It is not a law, but it is a healthy social rule that is helpful; everyone accepts that they are not free to sneeze in other people's faces. You need either gun laws or gun culture, Switzerland chose more culture, Germany more law, both work. America chose ... more guns and the "freedom" to shoot them in other people's faces. That's stupid and dangerous.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago

What's unsurprising is how strictly gun control is implemented on US military bases and navy ships.

If you live in barracks on-base and own a personal gun, if often has to be stored in the base's firearm storage. The only people who can walk around armed are MPs or people on their way to/from authorized training. Even if you have a concealed carry permit for the state the base is in, you can't conceal carry in the base. If you're on your way to the base's firing range and stop to get gas at the base's gas station, you can't leave your gun in your car while you go into the convenience store at the gas station unless your car is locked in your trunk. Often even a paintball gun has to be stored in the base armory.

Keep in mind these aren't rules for random civilians. These are the rules for people who have already had to pass extensive firearms training courses.

It's pretty insane that random untrained civilians have far fewer restrictions on guns than members of the military on a military base.

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[-] snowraven@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago

Is it me or the headline is worded strangely?

[-] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think it might be the word "named" instead of "identified." That and the two "as" ~~appositive phrases~~ prepositional phrases in a row.

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[-] drolex@sopuli.xyz 26 points 11 months ago

It's only weird when you don't know anybody called "US army reservist" but it's a fairly common name around here

-US Coast Guard war criminal

[-] tilcica@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yeah its very weird

"as the death toll reaches 22 people, the suspect was found out to be a US army reservist"

[-] Jilanico@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

They probably want to front load the headline with the most salient development, namely the identity of the shooter.

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[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 31 points 11 months ago

Excerpt from the US version of the Prayer of the Lord: "... and give us today our daily ~~bread~~ mass shooting ..."

[-] Surp@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

My Aunt and Uncle live there. I heard the news at around 11pm. Called her up to make sure they were ok. They are scared in there home with doors locked.

[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago

Yeah I mean its Maine , its not that common those things happened over there. Thanks god your family is okay!

[-] nyoooom@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

But "facts don't care about your feelings" or something like that...

[-] tym@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

This motherfucker is slowly making his way toward my home and children. Last sighting is 35 min away or so.

I don't have a gun and I regret that choice right now. I wouldn't wish this feeling of helplessness and terror on anyone.

This is always a mental health issue at its core.

Humor me and pick up a copy of Susan Faludis book "stiffed"

This is the 90s all over again. Fuck.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

This is some obvious pro gun propaganda.

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[-] SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

You don't need a gun. Just call the police. They'll take care of you.

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[-] Jeff@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

This timeline is a bad one. We need father time to make the old in power fade away so we can attempt to fix what the worst generation has broken.

[-] CCatMan@lemmy.one 7 points 10 months ago

I feel like there is a limitless supply of the people you are waiting to fade away.

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