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[-] violentfart@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago

Long ago I learned in an economics class that business is all about exploitation of underprivileged populations. From indigenous people to slaves to poor citizens to “third-world” countries.

Corporations are running out of people to exploit globally, so the idea of infinite artificial labor is the holy grail of cost optimization.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

and what will likely happen is when they finally develop it, suddenly that thing deserves to not be exploited.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 8 points 2 weeks ago

Nah. I haven't seen a convincing argument that gen AI is going to coalesce from this shit show.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

never said it would. I'm asserting that by the time AI gets to the point where its as useful as humans, it'll inherently be as deserving of autonomy and freedom as we are. which brings you back to being required to pay a living wage.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 6 points 2 weeks ago

My point is, I don't believe the current AI tech is going to get to the point where it's as useful as humans.

We have long since reached the point where diminishing returns make significant improvements or advancement unfeasible.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

yes, we're talking about different things.

That's not true. Mythos annihilated everyone's benchmarks and now the other companies are all distilling it. They're solving equations that people haven't solved, and they weren't meant to do that. Mythos apparently is designing drugs even though it wasn't trained with that in mind at all. Anthropic launched an entire pharma wing. It looked like things had plateau'd there for a minute but it's back to becoming more real.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 6 points 2 weeks ago

This is the same old hype really.

Yes, there are things which todays generation of AI is good at, including medical research.

That's not an indicator of general intelligence.

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Really good at some stuff = AGI bro.

You gotta look at the benchmarks bro.

Just one more generation bro. I swear it's almost AGI bro.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 2 points 2 weeks ago

This guy has made a half dozen comments within a half hour just oozing AI silliness.

What is it bad at, now? I was using math and biology because those were two things it wasn't good at, and now is.

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Let's ask what it's good at instead because that's a much shorter list in terms of things that would qualify a system as AGI.

What LLMs are good at:

  • Completing the next likely token

What LLMs are missing:

  • Actual thinking
  • Self awareness
  • Persistence
  • Introspection
  • Literally everything else

You can hack some of this on top of LLMs with harnesses etc but that's not a step towards AGI. None of these problems have been solved at the model level. That's just a program tricking a language model into being more useful.

Languages models might prove to be one tiny layer of a true AGI but only time will tell. A whole lot of time, because we're not even close to replicating the 99% of other layers that would go into a machine brain.

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[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

You are really missing a lot of context here. None of this is true in the way you seem to think it is.

You are mixing up marketing hype with reality.

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AGI you mean? IDK It's arguably here. They're senile, though. Working with a senile genius is the best way I can put it, I think. Is it "people?" IDK fuck if I know. How could we ever really know?

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

IDK It's arguably here.

That "IDK" is doing some heavy lifting.

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[-] fizzle@quokk.au 5 points 2 weeks ago

It’s arguably here.

LOL. That's quite a bold assertion.

[-] TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Have you interacted with Fable? It scored on ARC AGI 3 and is pretty dang impressive at everything I've thrown at it. They're solving problems humans haven't. They're just senile. Also is calling something "arguable" really an assertion? More of a headscratcher than a real question, I suppose.

[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

They're solving problems humans haven't

Citation needed.

I'm guessing we have different definitions of "solving" and "humans haven't".

I've never seen any evidence that LLMs can extrapolate into truly novel problem spaces. Can problems be "solved" though interpolation? Sure but not likely novel ones.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 2 weeks ago

Techbros always exaggerate the claims.

They're solving problems humans haven't

I notice here the distinction between "haven't" vs. "can't".

Claiming that LLMs can be useful in solving some problems that humans simply haven't bothered to spend time looking at more deeply is one thing, but turning around and using those solutions - which may genuinely be low-key exciting and even useful for some practical purposes - is not the same thing as representing evidence that the LLM has reached AGI status, let alone being up to the "~~very stable~~ senile genius" level.

Apples to oranges, except I note that where hype was needed for profits, somehow statements that vaguely look correct (if you don't delve too deeply) were found and provided. i.e., LLMs might not have reached the level of intelligence of an actual mathematical genius, senile or otherwise, but perhaps it has reached the intelligence level of an average techbro⁉️ (who again only values the appearance of correctness and doesn't let little things like "facts" get in the way of their statements!)

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[-] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

These are not novel problems, this isn't a real source and this has nothing to do with AGI.

Literally starts with "OpenAI says" lol

If you want to learn more about what's really going on here:

https://sciencereader.com/ai-mathematics-breakthrough-hossenfelder/

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[-] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

and is pretty dang impressive at everything I've thrown at it

That says a lot more about you than it says about LLM's

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

is calling something "arguable" really an assertion?

Yes. "Arguably unicorns exist" is me asserting there exist legitimate arguments for unicorns existing. By saying it this way I get to imply they exist without having to provide any real arguments myself, and if anyone attacks my position I can fall back to "I'm not saying they do exist, just implying there are other people who think they exist without providing any sources or arguments actually supporting that claim."

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Most of the shit going on right now can be explained by fatcats in the West, having run out of Economic growth to capture as the West's growth rate pretty much collapsed (quite possible due to the very actions those fatcats during the Neoliberal era, were amongst other things Social Mobility collapsed), have increasingly started pillaging the wealth and productive capacity of the rest of society, or in other words, exploiting everybody else.

It's a vicious cycle were the tightening of the screws on everybody else leads to lower productivity and higher discontent which in turn leads to further tightening of the screws on everybody else in order for the elites to keep on getting wealthier at the same rate.

AI was supposed to be a way for the fatcats to be able to extract even more wealth from the rest whist having less exposure to all those pesky natural human and societal responses to that.

[-] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

For the elites to get wealthier at the same rate

Its a problem, don't get me wrong, but the real fuck up was they decided they decided they needed gains on the wealth increase rate also. It wasn't enough to just "make money", they HAVE to constantly make MORE making money every turn.

Making 10% profits (or whateber) ever quarter was no longer good enough, they needed to increase profits every quarter too, 10%, 11%, 13%, the line going up, must also go up at a going up rate.

They just accelerated it and fucked everyone.

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[-] Digit@lemmy.today 27 points 2 weeks ago

that'll be fun once the AI finds out how expensive the CEO is

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

It won't. AI doesn't fire anyone. AI doesn't replace anyone. AI shows the potential of doing the same job as a human, so another human fires that person and replaces them with an AI.

The CEO isn't going to fire himself. His "replacement" with AI is going to be him using it to make decisions, and feeling so smart about "using all the tools available", but he'll still be there to collect a paycheck.

[-] Napster153@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Idolatry at its finest, really.

The idolmaker demands the worshipper to worship his idol, of which, the former probably doesn' believe in himself but it sure does stoker his ego to talk to it.

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[-] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

That’s an interesting thought. Do you think they will downsize boards of directors and slowly whittle away the executives? Either they won’t stand for it to ensure that they and their friends all stay rich, or they can use it to exclude the people they disliked all along and it can be a slow voting out like reality TV. The general egoistic nature of most billionaires makes me lean toward the latter

[-] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 25 points 2 weeks ago

It's amazing to me how fast the executive class jumped on the notion of replacing their workers, although it was obviously too early to know. The idea makes them salivate so much that they showed their hand immediately like children before candy.

I think the class divide will take a long time to recover. Basically every boss in the world declared to the public, including their own employees, how eager they are to just fire the lot of them.

[-] Napster153@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

The class with the least self-preservation and the most need for attention working as expected.

[-] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

Building data centers is expensive. But they are an essential part of the AI surveillance state infrastructure that the Trump-Epstein class wants for complete control.

So this is just a short term expense. It will become much cheaper, like any new tech.

[-] renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

This is more like what we imagine it's going. In reality, they couldn't care less and will shift gears to keep the line going up and cutting costs. If full AI adoption won't work, then they'll shift resource direction to what they are already experienced in: outsourcing to SE Asia (with AI sprinkled on top).

[-] Bieren@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago

Someone must be looking in on my ceo and cto.

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