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Just wondering about this.

I have a friend who sometimes just specifically craves a certain dish from a certain food chain. (Like wicked wings from KFC or something)

Or they suddenly feel like watching a specific show (Like Boston Legal)

How does that work?
I never seem to experience something similar to that.
Is it common to feel like that?

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[-] 474D@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

... it sounds like the concept of remembering something? And that you liked that thing, and it's entirely possible to just do it again? Pretty normal stuff

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Pretty normal stuff

For humans it is normal. The "simple" function as you call it, is actually the foundation for consciousness.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Plus memory, and probably some chemical trigger (like dopamine or some other).

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[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

I suppose it's normal for most people. Somehow it's difficult for me to remember what I like? Is that strange?

One example is that I don't like pants with sideways pockets, I prefer them to be straight. I can remember this now, but when I actually go out and buy pants (which might be in a year or so) I will likely not remember at that time and buy the ones I don't like again.

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[-] xytaruka@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

For me i think it's your brain giving you an incentive to eat something you need nutrient wise, most of the time it's bog standard hunger you need calories to function and that's the fuel gauge light coming on.

But if you are needing iron maybe you want meat and you want something that fills that particular need. If a dish covers multiple bases with veggies meat and carbs it may be more generally desirable because it meets several criteria.

It's still not something i feel very strongly but i think some people experience it more because they are more in tune with the needs of their bodies.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

I wonder if there is a way to improve this faculty of knowing what you are missing. Perhaps some kind of elimination diet where you would eat enough calorie wise, but stick to only a few ingredients. Then you might be able to feel like you still want to eat something, but it will be more specific?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think this is the general formula:
The Serotonin decides (expected reward). The expectation of biggest reward in the shortest span of time with the least amount of effort and sacrifice of other things.
If time is prolonged, the reward needs to be bigger.

Being hungry moves you towards the food, not being hungry will move you towards the TV show.
If he is not that hungry he might choose the TV, but if he gets hungry while watching he might change his mind and go for the food, despite being in the middle of the show.

If money is short the dish will decline in priority, especially for people with functioning frontal lobes.
But there can be many many factors that are weighed not consciously but emotionally. Research shows we are way more guided by emotions than we think, we do what our emotions tell us, and then we rationalize it afterwards to convince our consciousness that it was in control all the time, despite it wasn't.
A significant part of our emotional state is actually controlled by bacteria in our stomach! So it is not entirely the brain alone as another comment claims. But it is signals that are sent to the brain, so in that way the brain remains the ultimate decision maker.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

So what is going on when people don't get the right signals?

Like if I don't drink for a full day, I don't experience thirst. But sometimes I do. Not sure what makes the difference.

Once, I tried to just drink a specific amount every hour or something. But I also had a situation where I had to vomit (just water) presumably because I drank too much in a short while.

Is there some way to train yourself to be aware and able to tell these signals correctly again? Nowadays I usually drink something when I feel a headache because apparently that is also typical for dehydration.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

If you don't get the right signals, it definitely is detrimental to having the right behavior.
Regarding thirst it is well known that elderly people don't feel thirst to drink as much as they should.
This harms the kidneys and people may actually die earlier from such a thing.

I am not aware that this can be trained. You should ask a professional, if you urine is dark yellow you should definitely drink more water.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Somebody told me to check the color to know

Problem is that, since I don't drink that much, I also don't go to the toilet often.

Especially when I was still working. I would forget to go to the toilet.

I would typically only go once per day or maybe once per two days.

If my memory was better I could probably just remember to drink often enough.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 3 points 3 weeks ago

Things like drinking water is about attention, not so much about memory

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[-] celeste@kbin.earth 6 points 3 weeks ago

I've noticed the specific food craving thing around my period. It needs to replace iron or whatever, so I suddenly want a hamburger.

But how does that connection happen? Is my body releasing hormones in a specific way that my brain understands before and after the burger, and then in the future, the "give me iron" hormone is translated into fantasizing about hamburgers by my brain?

https://www.parents.com/what-to-know-about-pregnancy-cravings-7507166

I figured pregnancy was when people get weird cravings the most. Hormones go so wild then, it really makes me think hormones are the culprit here, with the brain translating them as best it can.

The like three articles I looked at on this all warned about how pica (craving for nonfood items) might mean you have low iron.

https://www.mdpi.com/2673-6357/6/3/26

The connection with iron and pica makes me think there is something concrete going on here (don't eat concrete. go see if you need iron supplements). But your hormones and brain are both flailing around trying to keep you alive, so it can get weird.

Outside eating, the craving is probably the desire to return to some feeling. Music especially seems to get associated with times and people who were around then, and specific states of mind. I permanently associated one song with a cool scene from a story I was reading, and now I get an echo of the feeling from that scene when I hear it. And when I want that reading a cool action scene feeling, I can listen to that song on purpose.

TLDR; probably brain translating desire or need by making us want things it associates with filling those needs. With food, hormones seem involved.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

I rarely listen to music because I can't really concentrate on anything else while music is playing.

I do like music though, and sometimes I have a random song playing in my head. Makes me wonder whether that is also related to some moment or memory then. I can't tell though.

[-] paris 6 points 3 weeks ago

* Not a doctor or professional, just rambling as a lay person *

Brains are complex, but seem to boil down to input in, output out. The inputs are sensory stimuli (sights, smells, etc) as well as various hormone and other chemical levels in your body and brain. The outputs are things you think and do.

The brain will use chemicals like dopamine and serotonin to encourage behaviors. Dopamine acts like the "remember that thing? ohh that would be really good right now" messenger chemical, and serotonin is the feel good reward messenger chemical when the task completes.

Those chemicals have to actually attach to receivers in cells to work, and other chemicals can take their spot under certain conditions (this is why caffeine keeps most people from getting sleepier — it takes up the space that the "we're getting tired" messenger chemical would otherwise attach to).

* Again, not a doctor or professional, just rambling. *

But If I had to guess, some part of that process is not working as expected in your brain. Dopamine not being produced when it should be, or serotonin not attaching when it should be, or something like that. If you also experience symptoms of ADHD or depression and/or your symptoms impede your life or otherwise bother you, you should consider seeing a psychiatrist to narrow down what's actually happening and find possible solutions.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

I've been to a psychiatrist and many psychologists, but I never seem to be able to communicate my problems with them. They just see a person that seems fine and is friendly.

I have tried medication in the past, but they always make me feel more overwhelmed and at some point I have to stop. I haven't really tried much though.

Only meditation seems to help a bit, but I need to do 2-3 hours per day to notice a small change.

[-] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Put your hand on a hot stovetop. You'll rapidly become overwhelmed with the desire to remove it.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ha, that's definitely the case for me. I would even say that I'm more sensitive than other people in that sense.

But that's more about avoiding or disliking something (which I can tell relatively easily) I don't seem to crave or desire specific things though.

So most of my life is decided by things I want to avoid, rather than things I actually want myself.

I think even my choice of studies and work was made that way, and now I realise that I don't really like those either, and I don't know what to do instead.

[-] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know if you do (and it's none of my business, so I'm not asking), but if you suffer from depression, or are on some medications for it, a lack of enthusiasm can be a side-effect, and a review with your doctor may be needed.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There's a... "activation potential" for each need and want. If it get's over the inhibitors (like, you lazing on the couch), you'd get to it.
And the wants are mostly fed by relation and wishes.
While in the case of food, it's mostly the chemical lab in your belly telling you from experience, that you need something (with more weight on calories-dense stuff (evolution), so, careful).

Well, it's a bit more complex than that (with "levels" of channels, mutual influence, etcetc), but that's the gist of it.

[-] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

Evolution explains it. Hunger = need food. As we evolved, our needs got more complex and it's no longer trivial to identify specific needs from behaviors. If you crave KFC, maybe your system needs sodium, protein, and 11 other herbs and spices. Boston Legal is a popular show because it makes many people's brains produce some of the neurotransmitters they need at the moment. If you fall in love, your brain might think the person would maximize opportunities for reproducing over time. Different humans will fall in love for different reasons as their body attempts to satisfy different combinations of needs.

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[-] ickplant@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

For me, the food I eat and stuff I watch on TV do two things: they either provide novelty and stimulation (new stuff) or comfort (old, familiar stuff).

As a person who is AuDHD (autism and ADHD), I really need both to thrive (or sometimes just exist).

So, if I feel under or overstimulated, my brain will crave whatever will help get me to equilibrium.

At least that’s how I see my system when it comes to cravings and whatnot.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 4 points 3 weeks ago

I was also diagnosed with both autism and ADHD.

But my experience seems to be a bit different. I've spent a lot of time playing games or watching shows, but I never seem to be able to stick with something for long.

It's almost like I'm trying to avoid thinking, and I need something new to keep working as a distraction.

I've never rewatched a movie or show, and also never really replayed video games after finishing them.

I also never crave playing or watching something specific. So I tend to go by whatever I have in my list or what's new at the moment.

[-] katinahat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

The more of your comments I read, the more convinced I am you have severe CPTSD and have existed in a state of dissociation for so long that you don’t know any other way to be. I have a friend who’s exactly the same; childhood trauma (which isn’t always what you think - my friend considered their childhood to be pretty good and didn’t realize how it was affecting them) caused them to shutdown so hard, they never felt any emotions until their 30s and just acted on logical reasoning. They’re in therapy now and have slowly been relearning how to feel and connect with their body’s natural impulses.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think this might be the case, but how do you even know you are dissociating?

I used to have difficulty talking and still have difficulty remembering things. It's easier to talk nowadays, but it's still quite effortful. And I usually talk about generalities rather than my own experience.

I can't really tell if something happened in the past, but I do know I avoided almost everything. I just stayed in my room for most of my childhood.

I lived with my parents for 30 years. But I don't really know a lot about them.

I also just used logic for everything I do for most of my life. But I've been finding it more and more difficult lately to do anything. I don't seem to have the will or motivation anymore.

What kind of therapy is your friend doing? I've been to therapy before. But I never found it helpful. I tend to just talk about whatever the other person wants to talk about.

[-] katinahat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

The same way you are now, by realizing other people experience things you don’t, and asking a lot of questions. My friend describes their therapist as “unusual” in that she has good insight into his thought patterns and knows how to explain things so he understands. It can be hard to find a therapist that works for you, but I’d suggest looking for one that is autistic and has experience dealing with CPTSD. The specific treatments that have helped my friend are IFS, learning about psychology/trauma, and having someone safe to openly discuss it with.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

I always felt a bit different than most people, and just not sharing experience which seems to be common. But at the same time I've heard it's not really good to compare yourself to others.

I would say all therapists are unusual to me, because they are able to remember what we said after our session. Write a report about it, and continue where we left of in the next session. For me that feels like an amazing ability to have.

I think I've never really felt that safe with a psychologist. Especially if they are talking much, I tend to just agree with them and I can't really think very well at the same time.
It also seems like they have no idea that I'm feeling distressed.
I often would cough and vomit before an appointment, but be relatively ok during (because I'm focusing on the conversation), only to be exhausted afterwards. But none ever mentioned me looking stressed or anxious or anything.

Would be great if I can find somebody who is Autistic and has experience with CPTSD. But I have no clue how to look for that. And I don't really live close by a lot of options, and traveling far drains my energy fast, so I can't really do much in the session anymore, apart from sitting there and listening.

I've read a bit about IFS, but I can't even imagine different parts of myself. Seems like very difficult to work on that

[-] katinahat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Not gonna lie, it’s difficult to work on all the things you’re mentioning. Repressed memories, out of touch with emotions, unable to think and talk, general lack of drive, chronic exhaustion, isolation. They can be worked on, but it’s a hard process to go through.

You can literally search for “neurodivergent therapist cptsd” in your area and see who pops up, they often list their specialties online. Maybe you can find one that does virtual sessions so you don’t have to travel? You’ll also need to flat out tell them things like “I don’t feel emotions and want to know why” because they can’t always guess what’s going on (or not going on) in your body. Tell them you have trouble thinking during conversation, too. You’re allowed to take as much time to answer, even days, if that’s how long you need to process something. Right now you’re in the habit of automatically doing what you think is expected of you (fawning/people pleasing), but one of the first steps in undoing trauma is learning how to prioritize yourself and your own needs instead. This is why having a safe person is important; when your nervous system is in survival mode (which is probably most of the time for you currently), you’ll just keep dissociating and not be able to think, feel, or communicate clearly.

I’ll send you a DM with more info.

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[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago

Have your parents always been strict with you? Wanting kids to be "seen not heard"?

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

Not really.

I don't remember much but I feel like they were just absent. My father was usually abroad for work.

My mother was working full time and also taking care of me, my sister and my brother. I'm not sure how she managed as I don't recall there being a nanny or something. I do know that my brother needed a lot of attention though, so my mother was happy she didn't need to pay much attention to me since I was just sitting in my room and being silent.

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[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

I checked the link you sent me and a lot does apply to me.

I know that I have a strong reaction in general when something doesn't go well. But I am also scared of showing or expressing it, so it seems like I subconsciously suppress my reaction. Instead, I will feel pain in my stomach or a headache.

I also wouldn't say I have heightened emotions, but maybe I'm just feeling overwhelmed most of the time, so I end up feeling numb.

[-] GatesMcBalmer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Some people aren't picky at all in my experience. Like my cousin Jack. He's always ready for a meal and doesn't care what it is as long and someone else is buying/cooking!

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago

I understand it as "brain hunger" rather than actual hunger. Ideation around food noise, you know?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Brain hunger is a very good description IMO for what is probably a conditioned unhealthy dependency.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 weeks ago

Regarding activities, I usually find I crave certain activities when I get burnt out on other activities and need a break from that activity while staying occupied. For instance, if I'm doing a lot of writing at work, I may crave a spatially stimulating activity at home. It is my mind signaling I'm doing too much of one activity and I need a different one to keep from wearing out.

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[-] Melobol@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

On my commute I like to play a game "what Iam in the mood for?" - I usually have to discard the first three things, then focus on foods I usually don't think of.
First three if interested: fried chicken, tenders chocolate bar (Milka) and cake. Tho sometimes I do play what kinda cake I would want.
Usually I end up not eating anything ftom the list - but I have fun without gaining back weight.

Probably your friend has a 'background process' that supplies him with what in the mood answers all the time.

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

I wouldn't even be able to come up with 3 things.

I would just think, seems like I'm hungry or something. What should I do? Just go home and look at the fridge I suppose

[-] Melobol@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

It is more active thinking than conjuring out of thin air. Like when I pass by an Italian restaurant i will ask: carbonara? (Pizza is on the too easy answer list) Meatballs? Canolis? Passing a burger joint would make me think of which burger would I get.. like do I want a chicken sandwich (then I would realize that it is again on the too easy list) or do I want the burger from Shake shack? Or in a mood for InnOut?
Who knows maybe if you try this method it will work for you. It doesn't hurt or vosts money :D tho if you have bad impulse control I can't guarantee that you won't gain weight!

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

That still sounds difficult. But maybe it's just a skill I never practiced?

When I think of some specific place, I don't really come up with example dishes, unless I check the menu.

Maybe that's also the reason I never really needed impulse control to prevent me from indulging in something. I've always been somewhat underweight, and never smoked or drinked. Don't drink caffeine either

[-] Melobol@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Maybe you have a different trigger.
How about thinking about.... Getting a 3d printer part, getting some new tool from a hardware store, getting a new game, trying a new table game, getting a new book, getting new equipment for ... Sports / computing / gaming?
Edit: some more: getting new make up, trying a new sport or hobby, thinking of upcoming projects for yourself, hone decoration, gardening, getting a new kitchen gadget, looking for a new sourdough/beer/wine/cocktail recipe...

[-] AloneDownUnder@quokk.au 2 points 3 weeks ago

Not really.

I mean I do like trying new things, but usually I don't have energy for it. And when I think about something, I don't really feel much, just analysing whether it would be useful for me.

I used to spend more time gaming. But recently I realised I didn't really want to play any specific game, I was just gaming to avoid feeling uncomfortable. Focusing strongly on anything basically has the same effect.

I haven't played any game for months now.

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