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Israel Furious that Elderly Captive Spoke of Humane Treatment by Hamas (electronicintifada.net)

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[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago

Respectfully, I don't know if, er, electronicintifada.net is exactly a good source for unbiased news on this topic. I wonder what the article says...

Israeli propaganda officials are reportedly upset...

It truly is a work of science to take "some government propaganda officials are reportedly upset" and somehow turn that into "The entire state of Israel is FURIOUS...".

Almost as if the headline was engineered to reinforce pre-existing biases or something.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

If the state's propaganda mouthpieces are upset it isn't unreasonable to say the state, itself, is upset.

[-] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

Israel's clamped down on more legitimate sources and is even trying to kick of Al Jazeera (which has consistently led in terms of accuracy in journalism).

American news isn't a good source for unbiased news either, but people still post it.

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 14 points 1 year ago

They arrived at the kibbutz and kidnapped us, taking us to surrounding fields,” Lifshitz recalled. “The young men beat me and hurt me and took my watch and jewelry. They were riding motorbikes and took us to the entrance of a tunnel.”

Seems like if it were propaganda they would have omitted that. Seems legit.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It's difficult to square that with posting a headline that only mentions "humane treatment".

I'm sure you're smart enough to know that media bias can be expressed in a wide variety of ways. Hell, a lot of Fox News' reporting is itself perfectly fine, but then it'll be editorialized into painting an extremely sensational picture.

[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I honestly don't know why people post obvious propaganda like this. It's like they don't even care about convincing anyone and are trying to undermine their own argument. It's not as if you can't find more than enough very critical coverage of Israel in reputable sources. Maybe they're so far down the rabbit hole, they genuinely think obvious propaganda outlets are more reliable than something like reuters.

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 38 points 1 year ago

The full truth about what happened on or after 7 October could be established by an independent investigation, something Israel is unlikely to ever permit.

Yeah maybe they shouldn't have kicked out Human Rights Watch. Then we might actually know what happened.

[-] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're mad because she Criticized the Israel government spending 2 billion for no extra protection.

But the facts speak for themselves. She was beaten when she first arrived. Received medical care afterwards. Had to be released at the Egypt boarder, because Israel wasn't negotiating with them.

But you don't have to take my word for it, take Israel's.

Israel won’t negotiate with Hamas on hostages now, will remove it from power

October 14, 2023. Avshalom Sassoni/Flash 90

National Security Council head Tzachi Hanegbi said on Saturday that there are no active negotiation efforts underway by Israel to repatriate the Israelis and some other foreign nationals kidnapped by Hamas last Saturday, saying “there is no way right now to have a negotiation” with the terror organization.

I would say they are in the middle of a war, but these are some rookie mistakes for 5 billion a year.

[-] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

I like how they say there's no way to negotiate after several hostages have already been freed. Maybe Israel just sucks at everything but killing people who dont even have tanks.

[-] honeynut@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www youtube.com/shorts/QPnJveJLq_4

Interview snippet for the incredulous deboonkers

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

What she said wasn't even that positive. She said that during her capture she was beaten to the point of not being able to breathe well, but after that she was looked after well and got the same food and water as the fighters/her captors, and even got shampoo.

If a statement like this is enough to infuriate Israel, then that's pretty telling on their side

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a story so unremarkable that it being reacted to this way just makes me wonder how Isntreal treats it's prisoners...

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Lol so uh, based on the domain name alone, I’m not sure I’d take the word of that source at face value. That practically shouts “we’re heavily biased”.

This isn’t to say the story should be categorically disregarded.

This is to say that it behooves ALL of us to try to find and post stories that are as unbiased as possible - or, if that’s not possible, pointing out and acknowledging where bias likely exists in the source.

[-] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Wait wheres The Onion link? Why is this linking to a real article? 😬

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago

they allowed Yocheved Lifshitz to make a statement on a live broadcast

Where's a link to this video with a transcription?

[-] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QPnJveJLq_4

there you go bud

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks, but how about the whole thing unedited?

What you posted skipped over the bits where she talked abiut being beaten (according tk the article). Would like to see the footage without slanted editing.

[-] LemmyPlay@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

If you were a political group taking hostages and facing severe backlash, it would be to your advantage to treat the ones you plan to release very well for PR credit. Especially after a violent massacre of innocent civilians when you badly need positive perception. Additionally, releasing older women seems like an easy choice, since society will see you as having a conscience since they are one group of weaker members.

But this isn't such a significant moment. The sobering reality is the elderly have less utility as hostages, so it's no loss from the Hamas side. We also know that during her abduction the treatment wasn't all positive. And without information on the status and treatment of the other 200, which based on human history I can assume doesn't perfectly follow the story here, this release means very little from the larger view.

[-] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Worth noting that they still have her husband.

[-] the_kid@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

so why would she say she "went through hell" and got beat with sticks and bruised and stuff? if she's just lying to protect her husband, why wouldn't she say all bad stuff? why would she insist on shaking the Hamas guy's hand instead of just walking past him?

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Honestly she'd be better off fleeing back into PLO or Hamas protection because she's gonna be on some zion-fascist's hitlist for speaking the truth on international television

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

It's surreal that she managed to get on national television and say this. Aren't there whole departments of the government/military dedicated to making sure that that doesn't happen?