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I've been testing VPN services and somehow every one with a client has written their own. Proton, Windscribe, IVPN, Mullvad, AirVPN, NordVPN, and the list goes on.

Don't these services all do the same thing? Connect to a server to get a list of servers, then use WireGuard or OpenVPN to make a connection, and have some fancy stuff like split tunneling or a killswitch. It should just take configuration by adding profiles per service and it should be possible to use the same client.

What am I missing?

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[-] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Sophos VPN is a rebrand of OpenVPN. How many of those are simple branding reusing existing VPN client infrastructure?

If it's only about branding, it's pretty obvious to me why they do it. I doubt they [all] rewrite entire clients without a need?

[-] Dookieman12@piefed.social 69 points 3 days ago

The client is packaged and sold with the VPN subscription to "add value". People like you and I understand that VPN clients are pretty simple places of software, but most VPN customers, well... you know

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

I have a custom work VPN that looks like it came from the 90s. Just a simple button, a few options like reconnect.

My home VPN which I pay a subscription for, the UI looks like how the hacker movie UIs look like. There's a global map with all the servers. There's different modes. It's nuts.

[-] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There are business, technical, and UI/UX reasons for having a client. The business case is that it clearly demarcates the service they're selling, because it must be installed and isn't built-in (eg Firefox VPN). The act of having the user do something means that for a brief moment, they have to concentrate on the product. Consumers have this tendency to value things higher if they were involved in its success, such as when building flat-pack furniture.

The technical side is that while a VPN is indeed just a tube that transports packets securely to the VPN servers, the fact is that there are so many ways for this to go wrong. For example, leaking DNS requests is a way to throw the confidentiality guarantee* of a VPN out the window. As can Happy Eyeballs, where the same HTTP request is sent by both Legacy IP and by IPv6; if both aren't sent through the tunnel, confidentiality is lost.

To deal with this, the client can implement mitigations, such as setting a different DNS nameserver, as well as the (IMO exceedingly inappropriate) measure of disability IPv6 outright. These are not functions which the built-in VPN client in the OS would necessarily do, although some OS network managers genuinely will do a good job. But even more important than applying mitigations is to check for leaks! The client app can run periodic tests to make sure DNS or IP packets are always going down the tunnel, such as by checking destinations that only exist through the tunnel. Failure to pass this test should throw up huge warnings that the user's confidentiality may be imperiled. This is table stakes for a retail VPN service in 2026.

Finally, UI/UX for a VPN requires that the whole thing be easy: users want to browse the web, download ... uh... Linux ISOs, and go about their life with a VPN that Just Works (tm). Most people do not want to copy a Wireguard config into the OS using a terminal. A VPN service should have broad appeal, since the ~~fear mongering~~ advertising suggests it's a product that everyone online should use.

At bottom, we can say that "retail VPNs" really do need a client app. But for technically minded folks, a Wireguard config would be enough, because the endpoints would also be configured to route solely down the tunnel. Or even use an isolated netif, in the case of Linux namespaces, which is IMO quite clever.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I just use a wireguard config with Proton. But I imagine Proton writes their own client because many people can't handle their own config.

Also some "VPN"s are just fronts for zionist terrorism (eg. cyberghost, expressvpn, etc.), etc.

Do you trust mossad with your VPN?

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Some of these clients have extra features (eg obfuscation to get around VPN bans) but yeah, I wouldn't use any VPN provider that didn't at least provide wireguard configs I can use without their own custom client.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago

I was wondering this! It always used to just be additional settings in the connections panel.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Being in full control of their own app, without conflict of interest from a competitor. Also they might use different programming languages, optimize for different environments they care about. And also to differentiate themselves from the competitor, to have an identity. Similar to how game consoles play the same games, but have their own identity behind it. And they want to sell their own subscription, so they only support and promote their own.

Just to name a few things that come to my mind. I don't use all those different tools, so I maybe wrong.

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago

A lot of it is convenience. An app lets people pick multiple destinations without worrying about config or hopping connections, whereas doing it totally manually you'll have to configure and connect/disconnect each endpoint yourself.

A good example is AzireVPN. They let you grab Wireguard config files directly and just connect on your own terms (up to 5 active connections per account, but eh), and they have an app if you prefer.

They did recently get bought out by some fucking shithole company, so I do not know if I even should mention them by name, but it does exemplify the issue you're asking about.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 3 days ago

With some VPNs (Mullvad and NordVPN to name two) you can use your own clients by downloading lists of VPN relays and whatever authentication credentials the protocol uses. Though if you use the official client, it often has options beyond the protocol, such as selecting multiple hops (i.e. entering at one relay and exiting from another), disguising your traffic as another protocol (useful if you’re somewhere where VPN traffic is blocked) or padding traffic to a constant size to prevent profiling (i.e. by comparing to known video streams).

[-] HelloRoot@lemy.lol 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just to point out another interesting example that sits on one extreme end of the spectrum.

https://safing.io/ has a whole open source firewall and traffic monitoring gui app and their VPN (SPN) is a small and optional paid feature of that.

[-] GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io 4 points 3 days ago

a lot of them do offers wireguard/openvpn config files as an alternative to their clients, but those offers more features such as speed tests, quickly switching between profiles (I don't really want tens of different VPN profiles on my network manager), some extra settings easily reachable such as a network killswitch if you get disconnected etc

[-] pelya@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Open-source VPN clients do not implement the most important feature - a monthly reminder to pay your bill. Well, and dumbing down the technical UI to one big green button, so even dumbest users would not have trouble with it.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

but like, they could just fork those clients and add those features

[-] pelya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Most of the proprietary VPN clients are a fork of OpenVPN or Wireguard client with rebranding and a payment button.

[-] ISO@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago
  • The way to the provider does account auth varies.
  • The API for getting e.g. server list info varies.
  • Configuration generation varies.
  • Implementation choices for the VPN protocols varies (e.g. which user-space wireguard implementation to use if the kernel one is not usable for some reason).
  • Some features would require some scripting/light programming if not implemented by the provider. Not only is that asking for a lot, but errors here can be catastrophic.
  • ...etc

All that, and we didn't even talk about user experience 😉.

Having said all that, if you're not using a service that offers configuration generation, which allows you to use your own clients, you're doing it wrong.

I use one of the services from your list. And beyond private key generation, I do everything with simple scripts on desktop (or using "protocol" clients on mobile). This is trivial since the server list with its addresses and public keys is publicly available as JSON, even without auth. So putting that info and my private key(s) together, I can actually generate all the configs I want myself with ease.

But that's just me. And providers would go broke if they only catered to the likes of me.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

You could make the same case for a browser, an email client, a graphics or video editor, etc. The UI is an interface to basic core processes that are usually the same that all have, with some extras on the top for uniqueness and features that might be more appealing than other UIs.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

It's also a potential trojan horse, security liability, etc.

[-] theLaLiLuLeLol@kbin.earth 1 points 3 days ago

i can't even get nord to work on bazzite so i just use openvpn with it instead, works ok

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

Nord is shit and you should dump them.

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