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[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 24 points 23 hours ago

Actually it's worse! Because the current US secretary of Commerce, Howard Luttnick, and his sons went around to companies most impacted by the illegal tariffs, and said that they'd pay them a small amount of money now, for the rights to the full tariff refund later. Basically betting that the tariffs would be ruled illegal, and that there would be massive refunds issued. So they bought up the rights to millions of refunds, for pennies on the dollar, effectively leveraging their insider knowledge of the issue, in one of less blatant instances of corruption within this administration.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Wow, that's just evil

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 3 points 22 hours ago

This is some street level thuggery. I am not surprised at all.

[-] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

I PAID THE TARRIFS.

But I did not vote for import fees.

[-] lizzzy@feddit.uk 11 points 1 day ago

How do you stop this crap. That money could have paid for universal healthcare many times over.

Rob the poor to pay the rich USA mentality

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

It starts with g and it rhymes with ruillotines

[-] jtrek@startrek.website 1 points 15 hours ago

Organize. Find common bonds even with people who kind of suck.

If you're on a jury and the law is bullshit, nullify. (You don't have to show your work when you give your verdict and they can't say you gave the wrong answer. You can just say not guilty, even if that plumber really did push that billionaire into a wood chipper feet first.)

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

How do you stop this crap.

You'd need some kind of large popular movement engaged in a collective struggle to reassert ownership over the physical and bureaucratic infrastructure of their communities.

Rob the poor to pay the rich USA mentality

Really no other way to become rich, when you think about it.

[-] Napster153@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Material and influencr rich to be specific.

There are men who have less, know that's enough for them, and let their surplus wealth circulate around their families and communities.

Men who are rich by making other people rich cannot be compared.

[-] lizzzy@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago

There’s levels. When the tariffs are for you friends and fuck the nation it’s broken.

When you can bomb several counties and threaten others and not give a shot that jo public who can’t afford food has to find extra cash for gas …. To fund an illegal war.

Never buy USA again

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Who paid for the tariffs?

Who pays for the refund?

Isn't this redundant? The tariff is federal income. The refund is federal spending. The amount is (presumably) identical.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The tariff is federal income

Officially, yes, but it's much more accurate to call it a consumer expense. Because that's what it is.

The federal government cut corporate taxes and otherwise enriched corporations by much more than the tariffs and the vast majority of the corporations just raised prices by as much as or MORE than the tariffs, raking in huge profits while most people have to be buried in debt to just survive.

The amount is (presumably) identical.

Weird to assume accurate math and a lack of grift from the fascist kakistocracy, but you do you, I guess 🤷🏻

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

it’s much more accurate to call it a consumer expense

Sure, in so far as one man's income is another man's expense.

The federal government cut corporate taxes and otherwise enriched corporations by much more than the tariffs

The Feds also ramped up issuance of debt to cover the deficit spending. But since we aren't adhering to any kind of balanced budget, there's no relation between these policies.

By contrast, the tariff rebates absolutely have a 1-to-1 correlation between income and refund. You're double counting if you claim that you've paid a tariff AND you paid a refund. Your taxes didn't go up to pay for the refund. As you noted, tax rates have only fallen.

Weird to assume accurate math

I'm assuming tariff = refund until I see evidence to the contrary.

I'm not just going to make up an extra imaginary offense because I don't like the real policies from the real people really in office.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

so glad the empire is destroying itself tho

[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

I feel like a double loser because of these morons grifting for their corporate overlords.

[-] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Ted Dansons Voice: Woah woah woah, we weren't promised to be Charlie Sheen-Grade winners.

[-] Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I see a whole bunch of charlie sheens in my trailer park but it usually involves lower grade drugs and lower grade women and shit ton of fox news

[-] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

But as long as they keep rebuilding the area and give their soul to Jesus they can do anything.......... Except find the right vein because they're on the left arm 🫪

[-] PacketPilgrim@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 day ago

A corporate stimmy!

[-] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 143 points 2 days ago

They're all fine with redistribution of wealth, but only in one direction.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 2 days ago
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[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is called wealth transfer, conservatives only like it when it goes from the bottom to the top.

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[-] KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org 10 points 1 day ago

Hell yeah... all that "tarrif money" from the first go-arounds is in trump's pocket. You don't think HE'S going to pay for his criminal act, do you?

Get the fuck out of here !!! You crazy person you.

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[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 50 points 2 days ago

People in USA: so are your import tariffs gone now? Have tariff related price increases gone back down? Or have businesses just decided to keep that free money too?

That's the fun part: the ratchet only goes one way. Another fun part? We're doing more tarrifs!

[-] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's actually even worse than just taxpayers paying businesses: Since the US doesn't have the tax revenue to pay the businesses, it will need to take out more debt to pay them. So the taxpayers will not only pay the businesses, but they will also pay interest. (That is, if you believe that the US will be able to stabilize its debt before defaulting. At the rate we're going, with the looter class taking US government funds, the US will end up defaulting before taxpayers have a chance to pay down the debt. To be clear, a default would be far more painful than the austerity required to stabilize the debt.)

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 21 hours ago

To be clear, a default would be far more painful than the austerity required to stabilize the debt.)

Hard disagree. The debt is already unpayable, and austerity cuts the kind of investment that creates economic activity, like schools and infrastructure. And our schools and bridges are already collapsing

And it's not just national debt that has become unpayable... We have levels of debt that can't be repaid at all levels. It's a big part of why everything is becoming unaffordable

This is part of the collapse of an empire. It's happened before. There's three ways out of it. The first is a jubilee, a one time general forgiveness of all debt (unlikely). The second is a revolution and reorganization where we don't acknowledge prior debt

The most likely path forward is hyperinflation, where the majority of debt is shrunk by devaluation of the currency

No amount of austerity will get us out of this hole... The purpose of austerity is to extract wealth through opening outside investment and suppressing economic development. It's purpose is to keep countries on a debt treadmill indefinitely

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago

What you said is true for most countries. But the US dollar is used by countries to pay each other. So most countries have some dollars, and a few - mainly the UK and Japan - have massive stockpiles. They won't like any reduction in the value of the dollar. I read an article that recently, the Japanese shorted US AI companies, driving their valuations down, as punishment for something else Trump did. Such 'trade wars' could escalate if the dollar hyperinflates.

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