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[-] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago

5 months into the war and people are starting to think this war might last months or even years...

[-] SnotFlickerman 20 points 5 days ago

Who'd have thought foreign policy would be so complicated?

[-] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Not that complicated if you have competent, level-headed, selfless leaders. But unfortunately we have a bunch of geriatrics with lead poisoned brains behaving like elementary school bullies.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Even competent, sane leaders can get it badly wrong.

lead poisoned brains

Their brains are poisoned by conservatism and corruption (yeah, I know, overlapping categories). The whole lead story is grotesquely exaggerated, mainly by the Freakonomics people, who make even Malcolm Gladwell seem credible.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Who would have thought that hubris would result in ones undoing..

(stares at litterally every historical crash out in history)

[-] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

I don't believe for one minute that this war will end while Trump is in office. He just cannot restrain himself from fucking things up.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I don't believe it'll end after he leaves office. Obama sat in Afghanistan for two whole terms, then Trump dragged his feet for one, then Biden only pulled us out because it was easier than getting run out Saigon style when he still had an excuse to blame Trump for the defeat.

The President who inherets Trump's mess in Iran will bring in some new military brass convinced they can do war better than Hegseth did. And then we get to spend four more years letting them prove themselves wrong.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

then Biden only pulled us out because it was easier than getting run out Saigon style

That's not how it happened. Trump surrendered to the Taliban before he left office, then left the withdrawal to Biden as a final turd on the coffee table.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Trump surrendered to the Taliban before he left office

The US military had already been losing ground in Afghanistan for years. There was no "winning" in Afghanistan for the US any more than there had been for Russia 30 years prior. Trump oversaw a negotiated peace (which he renegged on before he'd even left office and then Biden rennegged on as soon as he was in office) and began officially recalling units from the front lines. Biden choose to continue withdrawing troops because it was exhausting US military resources far in excess of any perceived value.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Probably the most interesting observation I've seen in days on the subject.

Although he could fuck it up so badly that USA has to pull out of this one.
I keep suspecting Trump will be forced to pull out, but the longer it takes, the less likely it seems.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Start a war and then say he can‘t leave office due to (insert bullshit war-related reason here) or something.

The rules don‘t mean anything if nobody follows them or enforces them.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Why should he? Its making he and his buddies richer. The people and other branches dont care, just manufacture outrage for clicks on the internet.

[-] thebasementcakes@leminal.space 23 points 5 days ago

For a war he just randomly started one night, didn't even try to manufacture consent

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Why bother?

The fix has been in with Iran for decades. Even half the Democrats seem happy enough to bomb and butcher their way through the county. They're just upset that Hegseth is a criminally incompetent commander.

If gas prices hadn't spiked, most Americans wouldn't care one way or another. And those that did would be screamed at for supporting Radical Islamic Terror. Just like after the Iraq invasion.

The real sin of our Iran War has been Trump losing so badly.

[-] Bwaz@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Uh, it's already been months.

[-] SnotFlickerman 11 points 5 days ago

Lmao this is the quagmire to end all quagmires.

Giggity.

[-] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Generational wars are back on the table!

[-] dregan@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Nah, we broke.

[-] mercano@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I suspect Trump will ultimately suffer the same embarrassment as Carter, with Iran rapidly reaching a peace deal with his successor.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

Majority of Americans don't know shit from Shinola.

[-] santa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

When adults are steering the ship I suspect it would be diffused in short-order.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Except Iran has lost all trust in USA, and probably won't trust an agreement even with a new administration.
It will probably have to be total acceptance of all Iranian terms. Including compensation for damages.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

I don't think the Iranians ever trusted the US all that much. Just enough to make a treaty.

And yeah, Trump is the one who tore that treaty up, and then waged an unprovoked war, so the least bad option for the Iranians is to make him eat crow, feathers and all, until hopefully he chokes on it.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Nah. The best an adult could do would be to pull out of the region, but even if the US did that, there is no way Iran willingly goes back to the previous status quo. Iran controls the strait and the oil flow now, and it knows it. It has absolutely no reason not to fuck with the world's oil supply at whim, whenever anybody does something it or its allies don't like.

This is just one of the many ways Trump has done permanent damage to the world that can't be undone even after he's out of office/imprisoned/dead.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

It takes less effort to smash a vase than to put it back together. That damned Second Law is a wicked pisser.

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