cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/post/612204
Personally, I gave up at the first fight in Bloodborne (I have 40 min of gameplay). Never touched a souls game ever again.
Souls have pretty hard bosses... but mostly, they are just optional content. Main story isn't that difficult in my experience.
It's not that I don't appreciate a challenge. I used to love difficult games. I grew up in the NES era when difficulty was the only thing that kept games from being completed in 30 minutes.
But life moves on and we get busy. If I get 2-3 hours in a week to game it's a miracle. I am not going to spend that time grinding a boss for hours.
But other difficult games may be fine. Specifically, rogelikes. Slay the Spire and Dead Cells are games that can be very difficult, but the games are designed to be taken on in short chunks with an entire run taking under an hour, whereas Souls-Like games expect a lot more time commitment.
I really enjoyed the Respawn Jedi games. They're Souls-likes with difficulty sliders that should appease anyone.
I play both of these and loved em. I also poured 50 hours into beating cuphead. Difficulty isn't a problem if the depth of the game is a pool instead of a sea.
I think Hades/Hades did it great. Brutally difficult at first, but with an optional mode to make it easier each time you die, and full runs taking about 30 minutes.
And making failure a part of the story that allows you to maintain progression despite dying is also neat.
The only thing I'd really like to see changed is making an optional twist on God Mode where every time you lose it gets easier, but every time you win it gets harder.
I've been playing video games since the 1970s. Now I'm just a poor old man. My legs are grey. My ears are gnarled. My eyes are old and bent.
These days I mostly play video games for the story and to relax so I usually play on easy. And I'm ok with that.
Kojima:
We added Very Easy Mode
Also Kojima:
Get good or wear the chicken hat
Difficulty settings are accessibility settings and anyone who disagrees can kiss my ass.
As long as the setting accommodates everyone, including people who want a difficult game
Yeah that's the point at least in my eyes. I don't see why it has to be one way or the other. You have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain from difficulty accessibility options. If someone sees difficulty as some sort of status symbol... Well, don't project that onto me.
Both are perfectly acceptable philosophies, but many Souls players need to learn that losing at a game for 150 hours is not what other people find fun.
The difficulty slider is intrinsic to the system and the world. The whole point is that you have to make it easier by engaging with it on its own terms, rather than by forcing a change upon the world to make it suit you. This is never made explicit; the creator just wants you to either dig deep or bounce off it because struggle is the whole point or something, which is why we have to talk about it forever. Blah
Most of us get that, but non souls player must also understand that dark souls on easy mode is just a bad game. There are no big cinematics, the story is scarce, there are only a few npcs. Those are games that puts you on your toes, you must be wary at all times, and learn to master the game bit by bit. It's not for everyone, or everytime (I think everyone can play souls game but they need to be in the right mindset) but they are my favorite games. But yeah gatekeepers suck
Celeste did it perfectly imho with their Assist Mode. Just add those difficulty options in for accessibility, with a statement that it is not how the developers intend for it to be played, but still to use it freely if need be.
"Celeste is intended to be a challenging and rewarding experience. If the default game proves inaccessible to you, we hope that you can still find that experience with Assist Mode."
It is 2026. Gamers should be able to enjoy any game they want at any difficulty they want without judgement, as long as it does not affect anyone else.
Exactly. I love Souls games but I think having an option somewhere for people that need it wouldn't ruin the intended experience. Especially if there's a disclaimer before you choose it.
I'm not mad they don't have it or anything. But like, shouldn't there be a way to play if you literally can't otherwise?
I'm not paying for a game that doesn't allow changing difficulty if I want/need. I work two jobs and have to do most home cleaning and maintenance. I used to game competitively back in the early 2000s, but I don't have time for that shit nor gatekeeping.
I think Terraria has a really good approach to this.
Your first playthrough is on "normal" mode. Boss fights aren't about skill, you don't have to be on your toes constantly, etc. — except, that doesn't matter. Because your first playthrough is hopefully blind and without the wiki, meaning you'll have really bad, inefficient gear, and most of the challenge will come from finding and understanding good gear and how the world works before you can even find and beat bosses. Normal mode on your first playthrough has its own kind of challenge.
After that you will know how to progress and want more challenge and excitement for your second playthrough. Enter "expert" mode. New loot, new super powerful cool accessories, everything is way harder, even basic mobs hit twice as hard. Now everything is about staying on your toes, showing your skills in boss fights, meticulously crafting plans — but you're rewarded for it by a new experience and what feels like a new, more exciting Terraria. If you get tired of expert mode (I'm gonna say 200–300 hours of playtime later), there's the ridiculous "hard" mode. And "hardcore." Endless possibilities.
But everyone is given a chance with normal mode, which is really extremely easy. Everyone gets a chance to get to know the game. But you are rewarded with the full game, in a sense, for playing the proper difficulty.
All art should have difficulty sliders. I want to listen to avant-garde jazz but I think it should be in 4/4 time signature and they should play the most melodic notes. And I think art house movies should have a version where the script is rewritten so the characters explain the allegories and symbolism of the movie while I'm watching. And I think opera should have someone reading what is being sung because I find it hard to follow along with the singing
I mean we literally do have accessibility settings for most art lmao what do you think subtitles and sign language interpreters are
No we literally don't 'have accessibility settings for most art'. Whens the last you went to a museum? Art is presented basically as is, and if you're blind you will probably go to the sound based works instead of the visual mediums instead.
There’s a lot of “you made your art wrong” in here. If you don’t have legs, you’re not going to be able to play soccer. You can make your own no-leg soccer if you want, but I’m just going to make an “ew” face at you if you say that soccer needs to change for you. Try arm wrestling!
The best argument against games (or any software) that don’t work for you is that you often can’t get refunds, and that’s a valid concern, but it has nothing to do with the content itself.
I don't mind any of these approaches. Personally I'd want a single difficulty that is made challenging but with specific accessibility options. Like disable quick time events, loose lock on, and other things to make the interface more bearable if you have a physical or mental disability.
While I don't care if a game has an easy mode, a lot of the "easy mode is accessibility" arguments feel similar to the "AI art is accessibility" arguments. Unless you can't properly interface with the game, having low skill is not a disability or something needing accessibility support. If you practice you'll get better at it.
The "but I don't have much time" argument feels especially weird, like would you demand a cliff notes version of a book or TV show because you don't have the time otherwise? If you just want the story just find a playthrough online.
If a game has an easy mode, great, it appeals to a wider audience. If it doesn't, great, it's catering to a specific audience. A game's not worse for having an easy mode and a game's not inaccessible for asking you to practice its mechanics.
If I buy a game for €50 and the game is too difficult for me to get past the tutorial, even with practice, I cannot access 90% of the game I paid for. You could call it catering to a small audience but it is different than a game like "pc building simulator" which also caters to a small audience that can at least be fully accessed by everyone (not considering impairments)
If there is no way of scaling down the difficulty then I would like a refund of the money I spent on content I could not access.
The 'just watch a playthrough for the story' argument doesn't work for me. Games are a unique medium in a sense that the story is shaped by player decisions. Even if there is not a branching story, giving the player agency over small decisions like cosmetics makes the player more invested in the character and allow for roleplaying. That's all lost when you watch someone else play the game.
The “but I don’t have much time” argument feels especially weird, like would you demand a cliff notes version of a book or TV show because you don’t have the time otherwise?
Sweet Summer child...
Yes, there are dummies like that. I remember reading about someone actually bragging about "reading more" by asking for book summaries via AI.
The first philosophy is why so many modern AAA games are complete crap. Why not just have FMV of the actors doing the scene and have the audience press X to continue to the next scene?
"...to first face that challenge and to overcome it in some way that suits them as a player."
Honestly when that player is me, this is just going to mean playing a different game. I'm old and busy, I really don't have the time or energy for hard games.
Souls ganes has easy modes. Usually there’s an OP build or archetype which makes the game much easier
I think that is what Miyazaki's philosophy is. Not everybody needs to be a parry god, nor do you need to defeat the boss naked with a broken sword in order for it to "count". The souls games and their contemporaries are as difficult as you want to make them. If a boss is too hard, come back when you are overleveled and stomp it. Or use some cheesy build to trivialize it. That's what he means by "fac[ing] that challenge" and "overcom[ing] it in some way that suits them as a player".
Difficulty options aren't there to offer different experiences with a game, they're there to offer the same experience to players of different skill levels. People who are better at Dark Souls are playing it and its clones at a reduced difficulty compared to people who are worse at it.
A lot of people in this thread don't seem to have gotten the subtle meme post in this image. Itagaki was the dude who made the Modern Ninja Gaiden titles and the Dead or Alive franchise. The dude was always a massive troll to both the media and players but was very dedicated to the vision he had for the games he wanted to make. He also had a very close friendship/rivalry with Katsuhiro Harada, the main dev for the Tekken franchise starting at Tekken 3 and recently cutting ties with Namco to found a new company that is, unfortunately, owned by SNK. Itagaki sadly passed away last year and a lot of old school devs mourned for his loss, but probably none harder than Harada given just how long they had been actual irl friends.
You know, the darksouls creator's quote pisses me off. Not because of his opinion, but because the extreme soulslike fanatics will yell, kick, and scream about how difficulty sliders are the devil and how the game itself has its own way of making it easier for you but if you don't play the game with their specific build, your play through doesn't count.
EDIT: had an extra "their" for some reason
Well first off, fuck them. That's just what happens when people lose at PvP.
His quote is absolutely right, and especially with Dark Souls 1. There's so many ways to approach the game that isn't the meme pvp build everyone references out the gate.
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