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The clash began after Spring refused to pay a $287 electrician's bill that his landlord forwarded him for the repair of a burnt-out socket in his unit. Shortly after, the landlord notified Spring that his rent would increase by $100 per month.

The jury awarded Spring $16,000 — an amount that Oregon law doubles to $32,000 because of the nature of the violation. On top of that, Spring's attorneys also are entitled to ask a judge to order the landlord to pay all of Spring's legal fees, an amount that currently stands at $225,000.

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[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 141 points 4 weeks ago

200k in legal fees? What the fuck?

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 124 points 4 weeks ago

Landlord probably tried to string it along to force the tenant to settle due to costs.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 63 points 4 weeks ago

This is the default strategy that I have seen. Civil courts heavily favor flexing resources wih stall tactics.

Very rarely does it pay off for the smaller entity even if they do win, but it's always nice to see when it does.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like there should be a circuit-breaker that stops the money flowing past a certain point. I don't care what accounting magic you use, a few hundred bucks should never balloon to 250k.

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

If the landlord dragged the proceedings in order to push their tenant into being unable to sue anymore, it's perfectly reasonable for said landlord to be fully on the hook for everything. He's lucky he's not charged for the court's time as well.

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[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 92 points 4 weeks ago

Hell yeah, fuck land parasites.

[-] Atropos@lemmy.world 72 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Totally bogus bill. Just replace the damn outlet, you dumbasses.

Also, nearly $300 to replace an outlet? I should have been an electrician.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 44 points 4 weeks ago

Thats a nominal “get out of bed” kind of quote. You dont be a tradesman and drive to someone’s house for the $25 that it actually costs to do the job.

[-] Atropos@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago

Good point. I do nearly everything myself, so I don't normally consider time and transit...

But I'll continue doing things myself when it costs that much!

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's how I learned to install a new circuit breaker into a breaker box. Electrician quoted me $600 in labor plus parts.

I figured it was $300 an hour, he only billed full hours, and he counted his time to give me a quote.

Ended up taking me 15 minutes.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago

HVAC is where the money is. $1000+ for replacing a compressor coil.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

You don't think the electrician doing the work got all that, do you? The company that signs his paycheck took the lion's share.

[-] Atropos@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Probably fair.

I was imagining an independent contractor type of guy, but it seems ~~walk~~ wall street owns everything now.

[-] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 weeks ago

where the street walking towards?

[-] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 weeks ago

You know it's a typo because there are no streets for walking in the US.

[-] Atropos@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Haha too true.

Haha.

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 68 points 4 weeks ago

A lawyer for the landlord made clear under no uncertain terms that the Portland renter was about to make a stupid mistake — intimating in an email to Spring's attorneys that Spring "probably has a lower IQ." Lawyer John Berman also said he would cause Spring "great harm" and use Spring's words to "absolutely destroy" him on the stand.

Dude this lawyer harassed the client.

Fuck him.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 32 points 4 weeks ago

They should move for sanctions next.

[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

Disbarment is the only option and jail should follow as well.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 52 points 4 weeks ago

What I was saying is that anybody who would make a big deal out of a $287 bill is low IQ."

Incredibly self-aware, isn't he?

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So...

  • A $287 bill
  • $32.000 in settlement
  • And a $225.000 legal fee that may or may not be paid by the losing party

US is a very crazy land

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's a $1.68 socket. No way the landlord didn't have a handyman replace that in 15 minutes. Handyman hourly rate ~ $50

If he called a real electrician, it would have been around $150, including a full hour of labor. Landlords who don't handle exterminators* or collect trash on the regular* don't call real electricians; he probably called his nephew, and they each take a cut.

So the guy is slumlording, which is why he got the 32k payout.

The $225k legal fee is because the renters' lawyer wants to fuck the landlord over for being a dirtbag. He'll go after him himself for the 225k, perhaps reach a lower settlement. But it sounds like the landlord wants to appeal the whole thing; he's likely going to lose, again.

The interesting part, the outlet got Hot AF on the neutral side

The alarm clock would not have been the culprit. That was a loose connection in the outlet, or its wiring, certainly not the tenant's fault.

"* FTA"

We have the same problem with Medical. You go to the hospital for an extreme migraine, they give you $200 OTC painkiller, a $300 bill each from the triage nurse, the doctor that sees you and the doctor associated with whatever tests they run. They charge the insurance company $1100, the insurance company already has an agreement with them to only pay 30%. If you don't have insurance, you can often (but not always) talk them down to a reasonable rate closer to what it actually costs them.

[-] Gremour@lemmy.world 36 points 4 weeks ago

Read the headline like "renter beats the shit out of landlord in court" like WTF, he wasn't even arrested, not only that, but was awarded $32k.

Sorry, english is not my native language.

[-] HostilePasta@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

I like your version. More tenants should beat the shit out of their landlords. America would be a better place.

[-] Deebster@infosec.pub 5 points 3 weeks ago

English is my native language, and I read it that way too

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[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 weeks ago

Jesus christ, I'm an electrician, that's 90 second job that takes $4 in parts. Who the fuck is charging $2.75 per second to change an outlet!

[-] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Your boss.

The ~$35 you get for your time is your cut.

I'd unionize.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 18 points 4 weeks ago

Drive to my house and I will pay you $4

[-] Switorik@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 weeks ago

A small job like that would charge a minimum of an hour, $4 for a receptacle, $30 for a gfi. We're looking at a $150 to $200 job.

[-] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

My stepdad was a self employed electrician, I went to work for him in the 90s and I remember him billing $60 for a automatic light switch in a public bathroom. I made about $0.50 doing the work. He paid me a dollar an hour and I was overpaid.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 weeks ago

Truthfully I'm surprised they even hired out an electrician for that. General handyman can replace an outlet.

As a non-proffessional I've replaced outlets in my own house. It took me 20 minutes for the first one. Now it takes about 10, but that because I triple check everything and go slow

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 weeks ago

The truck roll is the expensive part.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 4 weeks ago

Office expenses and office staff, too. I worked for a particular industry that used software that we plugged in monthly expenses, annual, and semiannual, including payroll, and it gave us back prices for individual screws that would bug your eyes from your head to also cover a nominal profit (about 15%), and unexpected expenses like insurance rate hikes for liability insurance, workers' comp, broken equipment, etc. So that $0.30 screw suddenly became $6.

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Honestly crazy that an old blown neutral ended up a $32k+ lawsuit.

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[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Hahaha

Landlord and property managers are such idiots.

Judges don't like them, let's be clear. Judges will only side with them of they absolutely have to.

Remember, judges have family and friends themselves with these asshats too, plus judges see them in their courts all the time.

I hope on appeal they get hit even harder.

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Depends on the judges. The county I grew up in was notorious for having republican leaning judges that almost always sided with the landlords.

County made a point to make sure landlords could evict as fast as legally possible.

Knew a few people that owned some apartments. The only credit I can give them is they bought raw land and built them themselves so they didn't just buy up existing housing supply. But yeah, I've heard their stories on the court's efficiency

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 4 weeks ago

It's like that where I live, too.

[-] AmberOverdrive 19 points 4 weeks ago

Landlords are scum.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago

$225,000 to take a landlord to court. Lawyers suck.

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This could have been completely avoided if landlords didn't suck way more.

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Its very expensive to become an attorney from all the initial education (aka, repaying student loans). Add on to that the malpractice insurance, the licensing fees (fee for test + new license + maintain license), the continuing education costs, fees related to document discovery (ever try going through 200k documents by yourself?), the researching fees (lexis/west law/bloomberg), the filing fees to submit filings to the court/regulating body, the fees to access the docketing portals, and the costs related to hiring employees to help (the secretary, the paralegal, the receptionist, etc), and the regular office supplies (paper, electricity, rent, binders, etc.), then it starts to make sense why attorneys fees add up.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

The electrician did a piss poor job, the slotted head should be vertical.

[-] 0ndead@infosec.pub 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Wow legal fees of $225k. Maybe don’t lawyer up next time.

I’ve beaten landlords in court on my own. Lawyering up isn’t always necessary, despite what some commentors seem to think. Research your own states renters rights before you do anything in court on your own.

[-] Catoblepas 22 points 4 weeks ago

And you didn't get them to pay $225k in legal fees when you did, either. If your case is airtight and your state allows/requires legal fee repayment by the losing party, lawyer up.

[-] 0ndead@infosec.pub 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

But I did win 4x what I was owed. So you do you moneybags.

Most people renting can’t afford lawyer bills like that.

Seems like you just want to argue. Have fun with that.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 13 points 4 weeks ago

The lawyers probably worked on contingency, expecting to win against a well insured corporate landlord. You cant simply rack up that much without a way to pay. Why would the lawyers do that? They know it would be impossible to collect if they lose.

[-] Catoblepas 9 points 4 weeks ago

LOL, I wish I could afford that. Have you never heard of lawyers that work on contingency?

[-] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 weeks ago

In court... NOOOO!

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