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Child Sexual Material Distribution in Chatrooms; please remove the comment section from here entirely (lemmy.world)
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This again, isn’t the first time I’ve mentioned this ; given the severity of the activity, and the evidence I’ve provided, why hasn’t there been any action

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[-] Windydove@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"This again, isn’t the first time I’ve mentioned this ; given the severity of the activity, and the evidence I’ve provided, why hasn’t there been any action"

Because, it's not your website. The level of entitlement that you show by demanding someone tailor the website that they own to your preferences is ridiculous, the Dev can see your posts and chooses not to respond to you. IPs get banned here and there is a moderation system built on the website. This website is as liable as any other website with an anonymous chatroom or anonymous imageboard, 4chan is a good example.

You claimed in a previous post

"Internal moderation on this site is entirely absent and non-functional" ➡️ https://lemmy.world/post/49041435

Which makes no sense because people are reported and IP banned. Both are impossible if there is no moderation. Furthermore since all interactions are anonymous extensive account wide bans are impossible, only IP bans are possible. You want an account based website and this is not that.

Another user asks

Is there any resources I can run to stop being mass reported? ➡️ https://lemmy.world/post/48998802

Why are anonymous chatrooms littered throughout the internet in general? Why have they not been banned online in this long history of the internet? Anonymity on privately owned websites has a long history. The best protection against bad actors in a chatroom is simply to avoid chatrooms. There is also a flag button too, are any of you using it?

[-] MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

The bans are not IP made, switching conenections won't let you evade the ban.

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Switching connections absolutely allows you to evade bans If I have a network, where I get the tag 283S as an example, and reset or reuse another IP on the same device to get another tag, my messages would be entirely visible

[-] MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

No, it doesn't, I tested.

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

It does, see my lower reply

[-] MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Then either they updated the service or my phone has something on it.

[-] MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The flag button exists. But the site is moderated by an AI that is... pretty bad at its function. It flags "Child S––(you know what)" but not "CSAM".

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

OK. I’m aware of this How is this going to solve the risk of future distribution, and how is it going to actually get the bad actors to actual authorities

[-] WindwardQuietist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

get the bad actors to actual authorities

It is impossible to report anonymous users to the authorities. Anonymity is a feature of Perchance. Users have to practice self responsibility in the generators they use and the chat.

"No User Accounts: Many anonymous sites eliminate data collection and user tracking. Without centralized databases of user emails, login histories, or IP logs, it is much harder for authorities or corporate entities to legally demand user information or build cases against the platform itself." - Gemini AI

https://quantumitinnovation.com/blog/perchance-ai-character-generator-guide

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Even if the developer doesn't actively build a database of emails, the underlying server infrastructure inherently handles IP addresses, connection logs, and device fingerprints. Federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI and NCMEC do not need a username and password to track a criminal; they use subpoenas to demand raw server and CDN traffic logs.

- No website is truly "logless" unless the developer went out of their way to build a completely custom, untraceable server stack; which standard web hosts LITERALLY do not allow

Under federal laws like the FOSTA-SESTA legislation and strict federal criminal statutes, a platform cannot use "willful blindness" as a legal shield. If a developer builds a public chatroom, is formally notified that federal crimes are occurring on it, and responds with, "Well, I designed it so I don't track anyone, so I guess I can't help you," a court will view that as a deliberate choice to facilitate illegal acts

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Because, it’s not your website. The level of entitlement that you show by demanding someone tailor the website that they own to your preferences is ridiculous, the Dev can see your posts and chooses not to respond to you. IPs get banned here and there is a moderation system built on the website. This website is as liable as any other website with an anonymous chatroom or anonymous imageboard, 4chan is a good example.

It doesn’t matter if it isn’t, legal debates regarding the topic are irrelevant to ownership. The level of ignorance to consistently ignore the fact that this is arguably among the worst crimes globally; in the name of some sort of opposition to censorship, is ridiculous

I am really tired of having to circlejerk with you back to what I’ve previously says The automated AI system used for moderation, is both easily bypassable, requires consistent concentration, and is almost entirely absent when we need immediate action

Which makes no sense because people are reported and IP banned. Both are impossible if there is no moderation. Furthermore since all interactions are anonymous extensive account wide bans are impossible, only IP bans are possible. You want an account based website and this is not that.

Billions must reread

Why are anonymous chatrooms littered throughout the internet in general? Why have they not been banned online in this long history of the internet? Anonymity on privately owned websites has a long history. The best protection against bad actors in a chatroom is simply to avoid chatrooms. There is also a flag button too, are any of you using it?

They nearly always are if they host illegal materials, again, the site immediatly loses its 230 given that there is an insurmountable amount of moderation negligence; and the fact that said materials are being consistently spread

Blocking them, reporting them to an automated system which at minimum isn’t forwarded to law enforcement, and an easily bypassable system where users can merely reset their IP to redistribute materials; is a ludicrous solution

[-] WindwardQuietist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn’t matter if it isn’t, legal debates regarding the topic are irrelevant to ownership. The level of ignorance to consistently ignore the fact that this is arguably among the worst crimes globally; in the name of some sort of opposition to censorship, is ridiculous

Worst crimes globally, worse than slavery, the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide? What? Oh my God... You're a user with a blue helmet UN avatar larping as though you are an authority who can demand things of a developer who is literally ignoring you with good reason no less.

"Client-Side Processing: Sites that require no login—where scripts and data are temporarily processed directly in the visitor's browser or local device—minimize server-side data logs. By not retaining user history, these platforms often bypass liability for the content users generate locally."

"User-Generated Moderation & Obscurity: Content moderation is often decentralized, relying on community reporting, private groups, or obscure sub-communities rather than a central team. By maintaining a low profile or operating as a directory of independently hosted sandboxes, they evade sweeping censorship."

  • Gemini AI
[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Child sexual exploitation is universally classified by international law and federal statutes as one of the most severe, non-negotiable violent crimes actively occurring today

The public comment sections and chatrooms are fundamentally server-side 😭🙏🏽💔

“Client-Side Processing: Sites that require no login—where scripts and data are temporarily processed directly in the visitor’s browser or local device—minimize server-side data logs. By not retaining user history, these platforms often bypass liability for the content users generate locally.”

If User A posts a link to illegal material, and User B (miles away) can see and click that link, that data must pass through and be hosted by Perchance's servers to sync the chatroom. It is not "local." Furthermore, federal criminal laws regarding child safety completely override standard civil liability exemptions. You cannot code your way out of a federal crime by claiming, "We don't use logins." If federal contraband is being distributed across your network infrastructure and you are notified, which they absolutely have been; you are exposed.

And the material is a mix of both what is generated, and literal real life child exploitation

There is a massive difference between "evading automated censorship" and "evading federal criminal prosecution." Operating as a "decentralized sandbox" or keeping a "low profile" does not grant a platform a magical invisibility cloak against the law.

Windydove larp award 🥇

[-] WindwardQuietist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

How the Law Sees It: Under established internet law, a platform is not required to prevent every single bad thing from happening in real-time. It is required to provide a mechanism for users to report abuse and a process to remove illegal content once they are made aware of it.

Good Samaritan Protections: Under Section 230, platforms are actually encouraged to use automated filters and community reporting. The law protects developers who make a "good faith" effort to moderate their platforms, even if some bad content occasionally slips through the automated cracks.

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing has been, that’s the issue. Someone literally leaked their trafficking profile on Telegram, on there; and absolutely nothing has been done. People still, actively distribute said materials and nothing has been done. “Not reporting everything” implies there’s been some for, of actual active effective moderation, where there has not

S-230 is nullified under both negligence and the distribution of CSM, I explained this in the prior thread

[-] WindwardQuietist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Chatrooms as one of the worst global crimes, that is wild. You know the website that you are using has no identification of its users, and creators of generators can choose to have chat if they want to which you can choose to join or not join. If you want to take action against Perchance you're welcome to try.

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

This is some monumental level of ignorance 😭💔 Child sexual exploitation, the distribution of CSAM, and human trafficking; yes, are one of the highest crimes globally

There is absolutely nothing intellectually inconsistent about it And the creation of the specific gen in question, is the developer themself You could, at minimum, moderate the room or assign moderators so the issue can be avoided entirely

[-] WindwardQuietist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

So, you expect a group of people to basically monitor chats for every particular generator on Perchance that codes in a comments panel? In addition to the AI moderation that is already present. That is impossible in real time. Literally impossible in real time. There is an automated system which is an effort, an attempt. But only so much can be done to manage anonymous users.

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I expect basic HUMAN moderation considering the site is now an arguable high risk intermediary; I cannot stress this enough

This will legally come to screw the site later, so; it’s either moderate the damn official generators, or just pull the plug entirely

[-] WindwardQuietist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

New Comment panels are popping up every day on new generators, the gen creators and AI moderation is at play. Perchance is not required to have 24/7 human moderation, this is not some sort of new phenomenon. Creators code those chatrooms in because they want to have have them embedded in their gens and have the freedom to do that. You think that you can bully the Dev into forcing people to not code chatrooms, it's really brazen.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I had no idea what this was but was clicking through your links. One of the people says they were asking for dick pictures trying to bait predators.

The first person listed themselves as a couch fucker.

It really doesn't seem like a place you should hang out.

[-] GeneratingPicturesForFun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's a self inflicted wound, they want to be predated on. No hobbies, no loving parents, no social interaction, these people are broken, I'm hesitant to even call them people, they're not paying taxes yet.

[-] IamSin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Another one who's saving the world, all by themselfs. I agree with @lifeinmuptiplechoice with the last sentence. You shouldn't be here. You should use your time, dragging whales back into the sea or something. Uh and don't eat my meat. Go eat some Grass. Seriously. As i said in the other post... i'm a father of 3, and i know those people are around and will always be around. But knowing they have a platform where they can use AI created Trash instead of harming real Children, satisfys me to some degree. People like you, who are no active members of this comunity who just get up in the morning, to look for trouble, trying to restrict this entire project, which includes ALLof the users who didn't even do anything is so morally wrong, it sickens me. Just, Fuck off.

Oh, and btw... Whatever CaseID you think you have in your dreamworld... This is not what NCMEC covers. So maybe do some research before posting shit.

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

i’m a father of 3, and i know those people are around and will always be around. But knowing they have a platform where they can use AI created Trash instead of harming real Children, satisfys me to some degree. People like you, who are no active members of this comunity who just get up in the morning, to look for trouble, trying to restrict this entire project, which includes ALLof the users who didn’t even do anything is so morally wrong, it sickens me. Just, Fuck off

As I have repeteadly stated before, this involves both AI generated sexual images of children being raped, AND real children being harmed. I am an active member, in a sense that I constantly whistleblow to minors in the comment section and redirect them elsewhere until advised not too; you cannot genuinely be serious

Oh, and btw… Whatever CaseID you think you have in your dreamworld… This is not what NCMEC covers. So maybe do some research before posting shit.

“NCMEC’s CyberTipline is the nation’s centralized reporting system for the online exploitation of children. The public and electronic service providers can make reports of suspected online enticement of children for sexual acts, child sexual molestation, child sexual abuse material, child sex tourism, child sex trafficking, unsolicited obscene materials sent to a child, misleading domain names, and misleading words or digital images on the internet”

[-] iateyourtoasts@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, okay And now tell me by any means how the presence of these people should indicate a halt in moderation If this is how logic worked, then there would be no need for legal intervention upon ANYTHING knowing these people never go away but it does indeed offer a punishment to those who even try to do anything illegal "It satisfies me that pedophiles can use AI to generate CSAM" Yeah nah, atp, shut up, there's a reason why this shit is illegal nonetheless CSAM whether fictional or not still depicts a horrible crime and you shouldn't be proud of mfs using the AI for this shit just because they just ain't harming people

Also, who the fuck is looking for trouble? And why are you acting like restricting this content is a bad thing? Yes, my bad that we're just trying to implement some moderation on a website that literally allows users to trade CSAM, i guess we should just stop asking for basic needs and just deal with the fact thousands of children end up getting abused because of the very lack of moderation on this website

[-] probably_chris@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

i’m a father of 3, and i know those people are around and will always be around. But knowing they have a platform where they can use AI created Trash instead of harming real Children, satisfys me to some degree.

"as a father" oh my god??? first off,this shouldn't be satisfying,and second off real ass kids ARE getting affected by this it's not just people generating this shit,there's people actively seeking out the real thing

People like you, who are no active members of this comunity who just get up in the morning, to look for trouble, trying to restrict this entire project,

dare I say restriction is a good thing? and this user IS an active member of the community, as are others fighting for this

which includes ALLof the users who didn’t even do anything is so morally wrong, it sickens me.

I feel like the sexual content child involving children should sicken you more, sir...

[-] Aso@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

This platform allows users to generate pornographic content. Including for “underage users.” I hope everyone understands that the notice saying “you can only generate pornographic content if you give your word of honor that you’re 18 or older” is just a flimsy cover‑up. If a user visits a porn site (among other places), it’s only natural that they’ll see vulgar comments there.

As for your complaints — the site is basically being kept afloat by a single person. He’s also busy with work that brings in the money to fund the platform. He simply doesn’t have time to filter comments, he just doesn’t. Be grateful that the guy keeps the whole thing running at all.

Let’s just slap up a big sign that says “Adult site: leave if you’re under 18,” and that’s it. Of course, no one will actually leave, but at least formally, the responsibility will be offloaded.

[-] Windydove@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

He has posted this like at least two times already or perhaps more, the Dev rightfully is ignoring him, I would too. He claimed in one post that the website has no moderation at all and when I mentioned that people get IP banned and reported he tried to come up with excuses as to how that did not count as moderation.

"Internal moderation on this site is entirely absent and non-functional" ➡️ https://lemmy.world/post/49041435

Another user asks in a separate post.

Is there any resources I can run to stop being mass reported? ➡️ https://lemmy.world/post/48998802

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Dev rightfully is ignoring him, I would too. He claimed in one post that the website has no moderation at all and when I mentioned that people get IP banned and reported he tried to come up with excuses as to how that did not count as moderation.

You would ignore a complaint about a ring of distribution regarding illegal materials, and you fail to review my points, and you also are yet to address the inherent flaws with the “moderation” system 🫩

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

No, the issue isn’t pornographic material being spread to children, though that is absolutely a valid issue

The issue is, people are distributing actual child sexually exploitative materials in the chatroom itself

[-] Garth01@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I sort of agree to disagree here. While I DO agree that this is very serious and demands attention, removal of the comment section is NOT necessary whatsoever. There are other solutions out there besides that that would resolve this issue.

Patent 1: AI Guardrails or Removal of NSFW Content Altogether A guardrail or filter is put specifically into place on text-to-image generators on Perchance. It flags certain words that are logged and will outright refuse to generate any images based on the blacklisted words. The secondary solution is to remove NSFW content entirely and have a strict filter in place that makes the AI refuse to engage with or generate anything with NSFW content involved. Although this will piss a lot of people off who use Perchance precisely for this reason, it will nip this problem right in the bud.

Patent 2: More Powerful Moderation Tools Bans should not only affect the given IP but be a complete hardware ban (Hardware ID) that outright blocks ANY user from using the Perchance comment section altogether regardless if they use a VPN or IP changer. I know you'll probably say "Oh but what if they just switch devices?!"

Yes, that is an issue I have analyzed for this specific solution, as yes, even with a powerful hardware ban, the violator can still use an entirely different device to bypass the ban, but it will be much harder to bypass than an IP ban, because with an IP ban, you can just pop on a VPN and BOOM, you can go back to what you're doing. But if you're hardware banned, you need an ENTIRELY different device to bypass. So if you just have one computer, one phone, TOO BAD, you stay banned.

But as a person who does not use the comment section on ANY Perchance generator (this is because they are always hidden by default), that does not mean this is not an issue that must be left unresolved. If anything, forget what I said, if it ACTUALLY needs to be done, then just have the entirety of the comment section disabled forever. I don't even use the comment section on Perchance, so this does not affect me whatsoever, nor will it affect anyone else like me who uses Perchance. I'll be happy to hear your criticisms of my solutions, I'm not against you.

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

This response actually works out quite well, how would we mitigate the risk of further distribution though?

[-] matesineedhelp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Nevermind

Delete that shit on the gen I was complaining about

this post was submitted on 18 Jul 2026
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