I admit I voted for this scumbag's party for the first time ever strategically (I thought) in order to prevent an even bigger scumbag in PP from becoming PM. Considering his actions in office re: climate I will NEVER vote Liberal again
This kind of approach is why the NDP hasn't had any presence in Ontario for years. Many people took the attitude of "I'll never vote NDP again" because of Bob Rae. Guess what.... Different people can have different ideas and priorities, even if they belong to the same political party.
So you'd prefer PP?
Completely different. We're talking preference - not absolute like/dislike. I was responding to someone saying they'd never vote liberal again. I am not asking if they like PP, just if they'd prefer PP over a liberal. So if the choice is liberal or PP, it is a salient question whether they prefer PP over a liberal. If they'd prefer a liberal over PP when those are the only viable options, then not to vote liberal is confusing, at best. So it's a relevant question.
You’re still construing said line of questioning out of thin air. There’s nothing concrete in the relevant comment to imply that you need to question whether they would prefer Poilievre over any other candidate, rhetorically or otherwise. (Besides, what is the functional difference between like and dislike vs. personal preference in this case? That’s a pedantic point at best and at worst a completely useless one.)
Additionally, why are you presuming that Liberals and Conservatives are the only viable options? Isn’t the whole point of having a wide variety of candidates like we do so you never feel pressured into only one or two options? Sure, you can say there would never be enough votes for, say, the NDP or Green Party for them to win a majority; but there’s still no inherent responsibility of any one voter for those parties to choose another because of that, and much more a societally ubiquitous/systemic issue. If one is forced, by circumstance or otherwise, into picking one or the other candidate out of many, then there are much bigger and more “salient” (as you put it) problems at hand than just which of those choices one prefers.
I'm all for minority governments and voting in greens or ndp etc., but often in a particular riding, there is only liberals or conservatives that have a chance. In that particular (common) case, if the original commenter would 'never vote liberal again' I just want to know if that's because they prefer to help PP's party become the government by not voting against their getting a seat, or if they just haven't thought that through. It's important to think through. It would be really bad to have a PP government.
Surprise, surprise. Carney is still a neoliberal.
We all knew it, the alternative was a dumb fuck hell bent on dividing the country
Yeah. That was the best we had to offer. Not a good omen.
What's a really disturbing red flag for me is he keeps touting carbon capture as a solution to offset the new damage. Feels like marketing strategy to allay the fears of people who don't have the time to look into its effectiveness. I thought CCS was just something he used during the campaign and won't be actually leaning into.
Best intermediate technological solution while demand keeps increasing. Fossil fuels aren’t going away any time soon, so any investment around CCU and alternatives, together with societal change, will be very welcome.
Capture is better than nothing, but it is far from the best option.
Still, it is at least doing something.
Hopefully it isn't the only measure that will be taken.
The best solution is electrification. Solar and batteries. The rest is just deluding ourselves.
Getting the federal government to stop doing things like that begins with getting Big Oil's political influence and propaganda out of Alberta.
This is the result of them promoting an astroturf separatist movement which they weaponized to force the federal government to let them pollute the planet unhindered, under threat of destroying the country.
Carney is a fiscal conservative, so let's get that straight. His concerns are Canadian independence, sovereignty and growth. He's thinking about keeping the country economically viable and strong through this period of turmoil and "new world order" shift as the US is keen to dump its global hegemony.
Now...... with that said, I'm sure he does care about the climate, but it totally takes a back seat to these other issues which he sees as being essentially existential.
I think it's an order of priorities and people who service the constant crisis/boom cycle of capitalism will never get correct. Humans are party animals and no amount of good sense is going to change that. It's going to take burning this bitch to the ground and immense loss of life to change tack, and only then it will be because it becomes the predominant existential problem.
As long as most people can still shit somewhat comfortably, nothing will be done to upset that directly, ever. This is why so many bad things can happen and the average person wont lift a finger, because they still have a nice seat waiting for them at home to shit on.
Carney is a fiscal conservative, so let’s get that straight. His concerns are Canadian independence, sovereignty and growth
for the 1% wealthy Canadians...
Now… with that said, I’m sure he does care about the climate, but it totally takes a back seat to these other issues which he sees as being essentially existential.
Then he doesn't care... that is like saying "I care about my second son but will pay no mind to him while my first one needs literally anything". "Business growth" will never take a back seat, and it will never not need tax cuts for the rich or austerity for the poor
If Carney cared about the Canadian economy.
His only concern is serving the coorporates
If he cared about sovereignty, he wouldn't entertain Alberta separatism and should try to call it out for what it is.
Mark's concerns are the bottom line. Always have been. Guy's net worth is 10mil - i don't think he even knows what the average Canadian (i.e. 1/4 go hungry) even feel.
If he loses his day job because of shenanigans like this, I'm sure he'd find a cushy job in the Trump administration.
I am not even remotely a fan of much of the things Carney is doing, but to paint him as a Trump sycophant is just bullshit.
Most people who voted Liberal in the last election went into it full well knowing Canada was electing a red conservative, but the alternative was way fucking worse.
We could have ended up with an actual Trump sycophant.
No they didn’t. Carney stole a bunch of Kate Raworth talking points and people bought it. “We have become a market society” was what pulled NDP voters and the left flank of the LPC in.
As a member of the NDP, who voted specifically AGAINST PP as my MP, I knew exactly what I was doing, and so did all of my friends and neighbours.
Anyone who didn't see a red conservative wasn't paying attention.
And so on, and so on.
Still a thousand times better than the alternative.
So in order to defeat Conservatives you voted for a Conservative? You forgot to mention that his dissertation is heavily based on Game Theory. Weird that the guy with a Doctorate in Game Theory framed an election as a zero sum game.
Let’s not forget in 2018 when the Conservative's told Paul Wells they were going to do everything possible to get rid of the carbon tax. Then ran over Trudeau for years and years until it finally worked. Even Brown was a victim to this when CTV published slander to get him out of the OPC leadership race. Then the CPC just DQ’d him from Leadership.
But hey, you really stuck it to the guy you didn’t like by voting for his platform in a different suit.
I'm sorry that saying the alternative was worse is too difficult to understand.
Don’t really see much of a difference. Which once again was evident during the election when they had the same platforms. But hey, not like there isn’t a third option in Canada.
At some point this tired talking point needs to be laid to rest. Because it’s essentially speed running Duverger's Law and coming from the same people who bash Trudeau for ER stuff, it’s beyond hypocritical.
Using technical terminology doesn't make you right. Yes, we need to get rid of FPTP, but that doesn't mean we should have let someone who wants to live up Trump's ass so badly that he has it on a vision board, become PM.
I would rather have 5 years of sanity with a government I don't like then have have PP become PM. Ask yourself how hated you have to be to have a riding you have held for 20 years hate you so much they boo you at a Christmas parade.
Given the fact that your account has existed a day, I'm going to assume you are a troll account, paid for by the CPC, an offshore asshole intentionally trying to cause issues, or you are so profoundly naive that you don't understand how utterly fucking awful a PP government would be for us.
Don’t really see much of a difference.
This right there is enough for me to be done with you
One makes you feel better about yourself than the other? Thats the literal difference. Carney already lives up Trumps ass. He repealed a lot of the Trudeau policy around the environment. He’s passing draconian security legislation. He’s tariffed the shit out of inputs that we cannot produce domestically. He’s pushing O&G to new heights. Bailing out developers. Killed Nate Erskine-Smith’s housing proposals he campaigned on.
So yeah, they’re the same clown as far as I see. The only difference here is that you like Carney as a person. Which is a completely failing of democracy.
I grew up being taught to vote for what I believe in, and not to vote against things. But hey, people like you pretend we live in a democracy. 2025 was the perfect illustration of how we have become a two party system with very little differences between the two parties.
But Liberals need to continue the moral relativism and zero sum electoral game to retain power. So they’re more than happy to keep pushing the narrative. I see more news about Poilievre from them than anyone else. It’s all ad hominem too. You can’t attack his policy because it’s your policy.
Oh yeah you also let a hard right Conservative into caucus.
Carney and Poilievre are the same person in terms of governing and ideology. Carney just did the classic liberal thing of campaigning from the left.
Edit: oh yeah and you’re also isolating people. You really think I’m a troll? You understand people can have different outlooks to you and treating support as a zero sum game does nothing but make you look like the Liberal elitist that you probably are. Maybe you should go read Value(s) again if you can get the pages unstuck.
Confirmed. Troll.
You really think I’m a troll?
Well, the other option was naive.
I wish I could live as simple of a life as you where everyone who has a different opinion than me is simply a troll. Even on a site that checks IP and IMEI data.
But that tracks because Liberals hate democracy as demonstrated over the last year and a half. Did you help build the overpass over the floor.
"Everybody I don't like is exactly the same" is not an opinion, it's a troll. If you seriously cannot see the difference between PP and Carney, then I don't know what to say, other than... sigh.
Woah, easy there, chief. I didn't mean to light you up this morning. I was simply basing the comment off of his climate "activism" that's destroying your chances of actually protecting your country from it. I'm not sure how you got sycophantic behavior being insinuated but I'm sorry if that's how it came off.
...I'm not sure how you got sycophantic behavior being insinuated but I'm sorry if that's how it came off.
By you suggesting that he and Trump are like minds or would be comfortable bedfellows...
Simply that he would make a great head for the US EPA. He definitely is of like mind in that regard.
Clearly your communication needs work based on how you're getting ratioed...
Clearly you don't know how little I care about "ratios".
No one cares about the numbers... but they reflect how well you are getting your point across and whether people find your ideas compelling. If you don't care about effectively communicating ideas then you are nothing but a psych patient barking from atop a soap box...
While Carney helps burn our world, the social justice warriors in the community get to cast a vote they think matters. If you think about it, I'm doing you all a favor.
No need to thank me. I don't do OT for the accolades.
Yeah... Everyone on social media thinks they are some kind of philosopher... we're all just assholes with smartphones.
It's your who needs works
It's your who needs works
Case in point. 😂
I'm sure he'd find a cushy job in the Trump administration.
I'm sure he'd find a cushy job in the Trump administration.
career politician.
ranks somewhere between worm and snake. I guess snake, here, with the snake oil solution.
delete all of them. left and right.
He is a banker.
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